LBB Vehicles

[Maksim-Smelchak]

Hi Sigg,

I'll stand corrected, but there are still a number of other references that list TLs other than 17. Wouldn't you agree?

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.

 

[robject]

Piper,

I think no cost for basic hulls is fine; armored hulls can add to cost considerably.

How would a grav tank look with this system?

</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">TL14
Component Spaces Cost Notes
--------------- ------ --------- ----------------
Hull (32)
Antigrav 4 400,000
Fusion pwr 2 600,000
Crew (2) 4
Armor (enhex) 16 160,000 Av33
Med. Main Weapon 6 196,000 Pen 49
--
TOTAL (0) MCr1.4</pre>[/QUOTE]I like the armoring rules: very simple. No "toughness" versus "strength" or whatever.

And if I assumed "antigrav" is what ship's boats use for propulsion:

</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">Lifeboat (TL9)
Component Spaces Cost Notes
--------------- ------ --------- ----------------
Hull (40)
Antigrav 5 500,000
Fusion pwr 2.5 750,000
Crew (2) 4
Armor (comp) 14.4 36,000 Av20
Open 14
--
TOTAL MCr1.3</pre>[/QUOTE]

 

[Piper]

A significant portion of military vehicle's cost is in sensors and electronics. Those systems are under development, but will add 2 to 3 times the cost to a vehicle.

Your tank example would be a minimal weapons carrier; no secondary armament, no turret, minimum speed. That would seem about right extrapolating from examples in MT's 101 Vehicles.

The ship's boat design is a vehicle, rather than a spacecraft. The drive unit you installed gives it a top speed of 120kph.
There is no bridge or computer in your example, so you're looking at bare hull, 2 couches and minimal drive.

This system is not intended to design small craft as the maximum drive unit can only achieve 1200 kph; similar to an LBB speeder.

It is far from perfect, but it can produce reasonable results with a small amount of effort.

 

[robject]

Good points Piper, but I'll take exception with your last statement:

> It is far from perfect

For my purposes, it's closer to perfect than more complex systems.

 

[aramis]

Look at T20; it's been done there already.

 

[daryen]

Originally posted by Piper:
LBB Vehicles is available in pdf.
Link

This link doesn't work anymore. Is it still available somewhere else?

Thanks.

 

[Maladominus]

Originally posted by Fritz88:
Ummm, actually, the fusion powerplants are 1,000kg and up. Yes, 1x10^3 kg! And, the power is in "units" - I don't see where it's related to any RL unit.

I would stay as far away as possible from LBB8 for a vehicle design system - it doesn't even seem to match the rules for other kinds of systems in the other books. It is confusing on top of everything else. I am finding it very hard to design a robot with the thing, much less a vehicle.

I completely agree with Fritz here. LBB8 (as most who have it already know) does a craptastic job of creating Robots. What makes anyone think it can design Vehicles well?

LBB8 *should* have been completely revised (like High Guard got a complete revised edition) to make it respectable. But GDW never got around to doing that.

 

[Golan2072]

Any updates?
Oh, and the PDF is offline.

 

[Golan2072]

The PDF file is now available from here.

 

[cheepicus]

This looks extremely interesting. I used to spend hours making Car Wars cars, even civilian ones without guns...