Condottiere
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Nostalgic.
D66 usability
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Nostalgic.
I remember them as being a chart/table of rows numbered 1-10, and columns with headers 1-10; cells at the intersection of a row and column contained the product of row and column headers. Doing it up now is easy with a spreadsheet program. Probably a lot more work with manual typesetting, back then.
Nostalgic.
ETA: Multiple edits to revert autocorrect.
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Condottiere
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Was it Transition?
Ours was upto twelve, with shutters covering the answers.
Ours was upto twelve, with shutters covering the answers.
Don't recall shutters; might have gone up to 12. Was about 50 years ago, after all.
mike wightman
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Traveller disagrees:
"D66: This is shorthand for a special way of rolling two six-sided dice. Before rolling nominate one dice as the ‘tens’ die and one as the ‘units’ die, to give you a two-digit number between 11 and 66. Some numbers cannot be rolled on a D66 (any number with a 7 or higher in it), giving you a total of 36 possible outcomes."
Condottiere
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Isn't that more base-six system?
The technical name eludes me, since it's been a while since arithmetic class.
The technical name eludes me, since it's been a while since arithmetic class.
TheDS
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Hence the "EVERYONE" part of my post, which includes "Traveller".
The convention that is as old as time itself (and thus much older than "Traveller") is that in the form "Dx", D means a die, and x means how many sides that die has, numbered 1 to x. Thus, D6 is a 6-sided die numbered 1 to 6, D8 D10 D12 D20 is... well, you get it. D66 is a 66-sided die numbered 1 to 66, not a pair of D6s organized into a 36-result table. That makes no sense. But D6x6 makes perfect sense. Even D36 is more correct (and not coincidentally is a valid substitute) than D66.
Yes, they explain what they mean, but they could also say "dogs are cats in this book" and every time you read the word dog you'd know they were actually talking about cats, but that doesn't suddenly mean all dogs everywhere are now cats. Likewise, when they explained their use of "D66", that didn't suddenly mean "D6x6" wasn't the actual thing they were talking about, just that they were going along with the majority, even though the majority was demonstrably wrong.
I understand my mentioning this is probably pedantic to you, but someone somewhere has to stand up and correct this confusing injustice before it harms any more future generations.
TheDS
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Senary is the technical name. (Seems like it should be something else, but it isn't.)
0 1 2 3 4 5 10 11 12
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1 0 1 2 3 4 5 10 11 12
2 0 2 4 10 12 14 20 22 24
3 0 3 10 13 20 23 30 33 40
4 0 4 12 20 24 32 40 44 52
5 0 5 14 23 32 41 50 55 104
10 0 10 20 30 40 50 100 110 120
11 0 11 22 33 44 55 110 121 132
12 0 12 24 40 52 104 120 132 144
Here is a multiplication table I did by hand. Hopefully I didn't screw it up. (Dammit! The forum took out all my beautiful spacing!)
How many weeks/months/years did we spend memorizing the other one? Don't expect to use this one as easily without a similar level of effort.
casquilho
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And the use of D100 to mean two d10s one as the 10s and one as the 1s long before anyone ever made a d100 or d3 which always meant a d6/2 long before anyone made a double 3 out of a d6, these are also "everyone" being wrong because you say so? Just want to clarify.
mike wightman
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My quote is from a Traveller rulebook, Traveller has long used d66 to mean roll 1d followed by 1d to get those 36 results... I share your pain in this.
The rest of this post is meant in good natured fun, I do not seek to offend anyone, but then offence is taken not given
What does a d100 represent? d10 followed by a d10 to get a number from... 0 to 99 or 1 to 100, take your pick
You mention pedantry later on - in my most pedantic I think a d10 should actually be read as 0 to 9 as it is numbered, very few of the d10s I own have a number 10 , most have 0.Then there are those d10s labelled 00, 10, 20, again none I own have the number 100.
Yet we are supposed to accept that 0 means 10 and 00 means 100.
So what if I roll 0, and 00 - is the result 10? 110? 000?
Aaarrrgggghhhh
I agree, but see my d100 rant above.
Unfortunately the majority rarely accept when the more knowledgeable minority point out their ignorance
Not at all, I agree with you, but I think the inertia of the rpg community is against us
Condottiere
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I used to cheat, since I needed time to figure out the answer, so I repeated the equation, before the solution.
Tree times tree is nein; nein times nein is atey won.
Tree times tree is nein; nein times nein is atey won.
Zochi? (Zochii?) I think introduced an actual D100. Like a large golf ball.
TheDS
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When D100 is used, it means roll something that produces 100 possible results. Rolling two D10s does that, and therefore is an acceptable substitute for an actual D100 (which is onerous to use). Thus, to be a "true" D100, a roll of 00 and 0 is 100, but I agree that it should be 0 for the sake of consistency.
To my knowledge, no one has codified how to call a die that starts numbering at 0; D10s lacking that extra 1 are just saving a penny by not etching it in. Until now. I would submit to the Dice Authorities that such dice are D0x (D06 is dee-aught 6, D010 is dee-aught 10, D0100 is dee-aught 100, etc). The 0 is pronounced "aught", not "oh" or "naught" or even "goose egg". "Dee-oh" is something completely unrelated (except that most gamers don't wear any), and "Dee-not 6" would be confusing as heck. But "Dee-aught 6" makes perfect sense and is very easy to say. You heard it here first, folks. It's time-stamped.
And yeah, I know, the wrong get way too emotionally attached to being wrong. They'd rather look stupid than admit they are wrong, because facts can be changed if you just believe hard enough. But keep your eyes open when walking past the footstool, just in case.
To my knowledge, no one has codified how to call a die that starts numbering at 0; D10s lacking that extra 1 are just saving a penny by not etching it in. Until now. I would submit to the Dice Authorities that such dice are D0x (D06 is dee-aught 6, D010 is dee-aught 10, D0100 is dee-aught 100, etc). The 0 is pronounced "aught", not "oh" or "naught" or even "goose egg". "Dee-oh" is something completely unrelated (except that most gamers don't wear any), and "Dee-not 6" would be confusing as heck. But "Dee-aught 6" makes perfect sense and is very easy to say. You heard it here first, folks. It's time-stamped.
And yeah, I know, the wrong get way too emotionally attached to being wrong. They'd rather look stupid than admit they are wrong, because facts can be changed if you just believe hard enough. But keep your eyes open when walking past the footstool, just in case.
Condottiere
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You could probably modify a roulette wheel, and make money on the side.
