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[Merxiless]

I agree with Whartung. There are a lot of people I know that if need be, would have retyped it from scratch, no need for a scan. Corrected errors and mistakes, etc.

And still paid for it. Just to have all of that material again. To have Traveller on the mind of the community. The Glory Days, when I'd take a bus across the city to the one hobby store because I KNEW there'd be a reserved copy of a brand new LBB there, no matter what it had in it.

No matter that the D&D players called it, "The game that kills your PC in character Generation."

Back in the day when Megatraveller was released, I thought, looking at the box art, it was to be the do all and be all of all Traveller. Updated, revised, expanded.

What was I thinking?

Glad I am that T4 came out. To me, it was what MT tried to be, but sadly failed.

Oh well. I still have my "The Traveller Book" and my DGP stuff. I miss those days.

 

[robject]

Wow, a vocal proponent of T4. You don't see a lot of those on the web these days. Welcome.

 

[robject]

Wow, a vocal proponent of T4. You don't see a lot of those on the web these days. Welcome.

 

[robject]

Wow, a vocal proponent of T4. You don't see a lot of those on the web these days. Welcome.

 

[kafka47]

There are many people who would give a qualified advocacy of T4. We just kept hoping it would get better and it did. However, the journey was long and hard and many good players (potential and long time) were lost in the struggle. Especially, if you look at the BITS stuff really first rate and the plans that Stu Dollar had in mind.

T4 must be credited also with providing a sketch of what a possible universe could be without an ommipresent instellar power could be. Otherwise, it goes back to an idea of primordial Traveller like what some on this board have advocated with a CT before some sort of marker that spoiled it.

For me, Traveller is all about evolution of a storyline and products flow out of that.

The mechanic matters little as chances are I will adopt my own anyhow. If a tool works use it but don't fetish over it.

That is why when things like Alien Archive came out, I was disappointed but then I realized these were guys with too much D+D in their heads and the product will evolve and it did to become a better product. So other than the Bwaps and Spider race, I completed discarded the product.

 

[kafka47]

There are many people who would give a qualified advocacy of T4. We just kept hoping it would get better and it did. However, the journey was long and hard and many good players (potential and long time) were lost in the struggle. Especially, if you look at the BITS stuff really first rate and the plans that Stu Dollar had in mind.

T4 must be credited also with providing a sketch of what a possible universe could be without an ommipresent instellar power could be. Otherwise, it goes back to an idea of primordial Traveller like what some on this board have advocated with a CT before some sort of marker that spoiled it.

For me, Traveller is all about evolution of a storyline and products flow out of that.

The mechanic matters little as chances are I will adopt my own anyhow. If a tool works use it but don't fetish over it.

That is why when things like Alien Archive came out, I was disappointed but then I realized these were guys with too much D+D in their heads and the product will evolve and it did to become a better product. So other than the Bwaps and Spider race, I completed discarded the product.

 

[kafka47]

There are many people who would give a qualified advocacy of T4. We just kept hoping it would get better and it did. However, the journey was long and hard and many good players (potential and long time) were lost in the struggle. Especially, if you look at the BITS stuff really first rate and the plans that Stu Dollar had in mind.

T4 must be credited also with providing a sketch of what a possible universe could be without an ommipresent instellar power could be. Otherwise, it goes back to an idea of primordial Traveller like what some on this board have advocated with a CT before some sort of marker that spoiled it.

For me, Traveller is all about evolution of a storyline and products flow out of that.

The mechanic matters little as chances are I will adopt my own anyhow. If a tool works use it but don't fetish over it.

That is why when things like Alien Archive came out, I was disappointed but then I realized these were guys with too much D+D in their heads and the product will evolve and it did to become a better product. So other than the Bwaps and Spider race, I completed discarded the product.

 

[aramis]

I, too was hoping T4 would get better... I was disappointed at every turn; it's made me somewhat cynical.

T5 promises to be t4.2... and given the lackluster effort on the long demanded MT CDRom, speaks poorly of MWM's ability to produce quality; couple that to T4's poor showing, and you have a prescription for doom.

 

[aramis]

I, too was hoping T4 would get better... I was disappointed at every turn; it's made me somewhat cynical.

T5 promises to be t4.2... and given the lackluster effort on the long demanded MT CDRom, speaks poorly of MWM's ability to produce quality; couple that to T4's poor showing, and you have a prescription for doom.

 

[aramis]

I, too was hoping T4 would get better... I was disappointed at every turn; it's made me somewhat cynical.

T5 promises to be t4.2... and given the lackluster effort on the long demanded MT CDRom, speaks poorly of MWM's ability to produce quality; couple that to T4's poor showing, and you have a prescription for doom.

 

[Merxiless]

On the other hand, the Future is not Written.

Perhaps T5 will be the Best Traveller Ever.

Perhaps.

Thank you, robject, I am a T4 enthusiast. Many of the old vets of my gaming group had balked at it when it first came out, having heard all of the horror stories of half dice.

Yet, I persisted, and generating characters, many said things like "Well, damn this is like the best of CT and MT, put together!" (meaning the skills use and character generation.)

(We do not use the Traveller 3I Setting)

For me, the existence of Strephon or lack thereof matters not. I need a combat, skill and Roleplaying system.

Obviously, the megatraveller material on CD, can be updated and corrected, and re-released.

But with T5 on the horizon...or said to be...I am hoping that it lives up to Marc's (and the communities') expectations.

 

[Merxiless]

On the other hand, the Future is not Written.

Perhaps T5 will be the Best Traveller Ever.

Perhaps.

Thank you, robject, I am a T4 enthusiast. Many of the old vets of my gaming group had balked at it when it first came out, having heard all of the horror stories of half dice.

Yet, I persisted, and generating characters, many said things like "Well, damn this is like the best of CT and MT, put together!" (meaning the skills use and character generation.)

(We do not use the Traveller 3I Setting)

For me, the existence of Strephon or lack thereof matters not. I need a combat, skill and Roleplaying system.

Obviously, the megatraveller material on CD, can be updated and corrected, and re-released.

But with T5 on the horizon...or said to be...I am hoping that it lives up to Marc's (and the communities') expectations.

 

[Merxiless]

On the other hand, the Future is not Written.

Perhaps T5 will be the Best Traveller Ever.

Perhaps.

Thank you, robject, I am a T4 enthusiast. Many of the old vets of my gaming group had balked at it when it first came out, having heard all of the horror stories of half dice.

Yet, I persisted, and generating characters, many said things like "Well, damn this is like the best of CT and MT, put together!" (meaning the skills use and character generation.)

(We do not use the Traveller 3I Setting)

For me, the existence of Strephon or lack thereof matters not. I need a combat, skill and Roleplaying system.

Obviously, the megatraveller material on CD, can be updated and corrected, and re-released.

But with T5 on the horizon...or said to be...I am hoping that it lives up to Marc's (and the communities') expectations.

 

[robject]

Originally posted by whartung:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by FlightCommanderSolitude:
That's possible, although I suspect it would take some work. Ultimately it would be easier to just rescan the pages, but do it properly.

You want to know what the tragedy is here?

The tragedy is, of course, that these problems didn't have to happen at all.

[...]

And it's a shame that we weren't given the chance. </font>[/QUOTE]Of course, we always have a chance to be constructive.

Send me a cleaned-up Hard Times in searchable PDF.

And while you're at it, send me the MT Players' Manual (third printing) in searchable PDF. (Don't send me the DTRPG version; they probably have a copyright or something).

PM me when you've got 'em ready.

 

[robject]

Originally posted by whartung:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by FlightCommanderSolitude:
That's possible, although I suspect it would take some work. Ultimately it would be easier to just rescan the pages, but do it properly.

You want to know what the tragedy is here?

The tragedy is, of course, that these problems didn't have to happen at all.

[...]

And it's a shame that we weren't given the chance. </font>[/QUOTE]Of course, we always have a chance to be constructive.

Send me a cleaned-up Hard Times in searchable PDF.

And while you're at it, send me the MT Players' Manual (third printing) in searchable PDF. (Don't send me the DTRPG version; they probably have a copyright or something).

PM me when you've got 'em ready.

 

[robject]

Originally posted by whartung:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by FlightCommanderSolitude:
That's possible, although I suspect it would take some work. Ultimately it would be easier to just rescan the pages, but do it properly.

You want to know what the tragedy is here?

The tragedy is, of course, that these problems didn't have to happen at all.

[...]

And it's a shame that we weren't given the chance. </font>[/QUOTE]Of course, we always have a chance to be constructive.

Send me a cleaned-up Hard Times in searchable PDF.

And while you're at it, send me the MT Players' Manual (third printing) in searchable PDF. (Don't send me the DTRPG version; they probably have a copyright or something).

PM me when you've got 'em ready.

 

[Jeffr0]

Is there any chance of a revised MT CD coming out?

What about one that has all of the infamous errata folded in so that you can play MT without debugging it so much?

 

[Jeffr0]

Is there any chance of a revised MT CD coming out?

What about one that has all of the infamous errata folded in so that you can play MT without debugging it so much?

 

[Jeffr0]

Is there any chance of a revised MT CD coming out?

What about one that has all of the infamous errata folded in so that you can play MT without debugging it so much?

 

[robject]

I'm sure that requires a staff of more than one. I'm not talking about improving the published material. That sounds like a quagmire.

But supposing we can turn our love for the game into a fixed MT-CDROM. Supposing you can get the fix to your copy at cost? Would that be worth the effort?

To some, yes. To others, no. It depends on what you want.

And it may be that we can't do it. But I bet we can.


First step: a text-searchable PDF of Hard Times, and Player's Manual 3ed if possible. Enough talk. If we can't get past step one, all this is moot.