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For what it is worth - I've held off buying the CD despite my desire to purchase it precisely on the grounds that HARD TIMES is unreadable in places.

I'm wondering however, if anyone has tried to separate the scan from the pdf and work with enhancing the picture. I once was sent a picture of a coastal artillary fortification where the photographer had not been aware of how dark the picture would turn out. Playing with some of the photo enhancement buttons on some common software used with digital cameras, enabled me to lighten the background and also bring out the detail of the artillary piece. It wasn't a GREAT picture by any means - but it looked BLACK without the enhancements. Perhaps the same could be done with the scans that turned out dark?
 
For what it is worth - I've held off buying the CD despite my desire to purchase it precisely on the grounds that HARD TIMES is unreadable in places.

I'm wondering however, if anyone has tried to separate the scan from the pdf and work with enhancing the picture. I once was sent a picture of a coastal artillary fortification where the photographer had not been aware of how dark the picture would turn out. Playing with some of the photo enhancement buttons on some common software used with digital cameras, enabled me to lighten the background and also bring out the detail of the artillary piece. It wasn't a GREAT picture by any means - but it looked BLACK without the enhancements. Perhaps the same could be done with the scans that turned out dark?
 
That's possible, although I suspect it would take some work. Ultimately it would be easier to just rescan the pages, but do it properly.

Having proper scans might also have enabled the OCR to work better. I'm not sure how it was done (is it a built-in PDF feature, or was it added by hand), but a random sampling, again from Hard Times, indicates that the text leaves something to be desired:

The&- and one sunq specialist are to go to Brother in
a TL.8 vessel, Hqpy Rw, and conduct a three to four-week
survey oftheplaneLThiswilindudeorbital mapping and the analysis
ofselectedsi~onthesurfaoe.Surfaeemissionswllbeconducted
viatheon-boardMfkRemg&xksspaceplane.Althoughthere
are no landing fieldson Brother, thespaoeplane hasbeen equipped
to make landings on icefields.
Obviously, this makes searching for references to the "Happy Roger" somewhat difficult!
 
That's possible, although I suspect it would take some work. Ultimately it would be easier to just rescan the pages, but do it properly.

Having proper scans might also have enabled the OCR to work better. I'm not sure how it was done (is it a built-in PDF feature, or was it added by hand), but a random sampling, again from Hard Times, indicates that the text leaves something to be desired:

The&- and one sunq specialist are to go to Brother in
a TL.8 vessel, Hqpy Rw, and conduct a three to four-week
survey oftheplaneLThiswilindudeorbital mapping and the analysis
ofselectedsi~onthesurfaoe.Surfaeemissionswllbeconducted
viatheon-boardMfkRemg&xksspaceplane.Althoughthere
are no landing fieldson Brother, thespaoeplane hasbeen equipped
to make landings on icefields.
Obviously, this makes searching for references to the "Happy Roger" somewhat difficult!
 
That's possible, although I suspect it would take some work. Ultimately it would be easier to just rescan the pages, but do it properly.

Having proper scans might also have enabled the OCR to work better. I'm not sure how it was done (is it a built-in PDF feature, or was it added by hand), but a random sampling, again from Hard Times, indicates that the text leaves something to be desired:

The&- and one sunq specialist are to go to Brother in
a TL.8 vessel, Hqpy Rw, and conduct a three to four-week
survey oftheplaneLThiswilindudeorbital mapping and the analysis
ofselectedsi~onthesurfaoe.Surfaeemissionswllbeconducted
viatheon-boardMfkRemg&xksspaceplane.Althoughthere
are no landing fieldson Brother, thespaoeplane hasbeen equipped
to make landings on icefields.
Obviously, this makes searching for references to the "Happy Roger" somewhat difficult!
 
Originally posted by FlightCommanderSolitude:
That's possible, although I suspect it would take some work. Ultimately it would be easier to just rescan the pages, but do it properly.
You want to know what the tragedy is here?

The tragedy is, of course, that these problems didn't have to happen at all.

There is no reason whatsoever that MWM couldn't have leveraged the community to aid in this project.

At a minimum he could have sent preview copies to a select group of folks to do some simple auditing.

But, what he perhaps could have better done was simply leverage the community itself.

There's, what, 12 books on this CD? And they're reasonably short books (less than 100pgs?). There's nothing secret contained here (perhaps some surprise bonuses, but, really, nothing secret). It's 20 year old material that EVERYONE has already SEEN.

So, through a combination of this forum and TML, he could have easily found volunteers who would have been more than willing to do 90% of the labor for him.

Just about any one of us would have been tickled pink to find a manilla envelope in the mail with a cut copy of Hard Times (or whatever) and a note "Please scan this for me. Have it back to me by June. Appreciate the help! Thanx, MWM".

Multiply that by extra people. All volunteers, all willing to sign away any claims etc beyond a mention in the "Special Thanks" column of, well, something.

And what you would have had was the work of folks PASSIONATE for the product. Anyone here would have scanned Hard Times a dozen times if that's what it took to make it look just right.

Heck, some of us would have been hardcore enough to audit and correct the OCR as well.

Why? Because we want the product, and we want it to work. It's hard for us to do ourselves the entire suite (just a plain lot of scanning and checking), and nobody would reap the benefits of all that labor because we can't distribute it ourselves. Both of those facets deter us from doing the project on our own.

But do it for the community? Get help from others? The books would have been scanned and OCR'd in a month, and they'd all be high quality.

Send everyone a different book, send the masters back to Mark, send the scan results of a different book to the others for some editing and quality control by a new set of eyes, get the finished works, drag and drop onto the "Burn CD" Folder and voila!

So, beyond answering a few emails, and lining up the people, labor is minimal. It's all management. The labor is for us, the passionate nutjobs, who would do it willingly.

I don't know if the idea was even floated, but a community like this is available to be leveraged. If we start being abused, we'd just push back, but until then I think a lot of us are more than willing to help.

And it's a shame that we weren't given the chance.
 
Originally posted by FlightCommanderSolitude:
That's possible, although I suspect it would take some work. Ultimately it would be easier to just rescan the pages, but do it properly.
You want to know what the tragedy is here?

The tragedy is, of course, that these problems didn't have to happen at all.

There is no reason whatsoever that MWM couldn't have leveraged the community to aid in this project.

At a minimum he could have sent preview copies to a select group of folks to do some simple auditing.

But, what he perhaps could have better done was simply leverage the community itself.

There's, what, 12 books on this CD? And they're reasonably short books (less than 100pgs?). There's nothing secret contained here (perhaps some surprise bonuses, but, really, nothing secret). It's 20 year old material that EVERYONE has already SEEN.

So, through a combination of this forum and TML, he could have easily found volunteers who would have been more than willing to do 90% of the labor for him.

Just about any one of us would have been tickled pink to find a manilla envelope in the mail with a cut copy of Hard Times (or whatever) and a note "Please scan this for me. Have it back to me by June. Appreciate the help! Thanx, MWM".

Multiply that by extra people. All volunteers, all willing to sign away any claims etc beyond a mention in the "Special Thanks" column of, well, something.

And what you would have had was the work of folks PASSIONATE for the product. Anyone here would have scanned Hard Times a dozen times if that's what it took to make it look just right.

Heck, some of us would have been hardcore enough to audit and correct the OCR as well.

Why? Because we want the product, and we want it to work. It's hard for us to do ourselves the entire suite (just a plain lot of scanning and checking), and nobody would reap the benefits of all that labor because we can't distribute it ourselves. Both of those facets deter us from doing the project on our own.

But do it for the community? Get help from others? The books would have been scanned and OCR'd in a month, and they'd all be high quality.

Send everyone a different book, send the masters back to Mark, send the scan results of a different book to the others for some editing and quality control by a new set of eyes, get the finished works, drag and drop onto the "Burn CD" Folder and voila!

So, beyond answering a few emails, and lining up the people, labor is minimal. It's all management. The labor is for us, the passionate nutjobs, who would do it willingly.

I don't know if the idea was even floated, but a community like this is available to be leveraged. If we start being abused, we'd just push back, but until then I think a lot of us are more than willing to help.

And it's a shame that we weren't given the chance.
 
Originally posted by FlightCommanderSolitude:
That's possible, although I suspect it would take some work. Ultimately it would be easier to just rescan the pages, but do it properly.
You want to know what the tragedy is here?

The tragedy is, of course, that these problems didn't have to happen at all.

There is no reason whatsoever that MWM couldn't have leveraged the community to aid in this project.

At a minimum he could have sent preview copies to a select group of folks to do some simple auditing.

But, what he perhaps could have better done was simply leverage the community itself.

There's, what, 12 books on this CD? And they're reasonably short books (less than 100pgs?). There's nothing secret contained here (perhaps some surprise bonuses, but, really, nothing secret). It's 20 year old material that EVERYONE has already SEEN.

So, through a combination of this forum and TML, he could have easily found volunteers who would have been more than willing to do 90% of the labor for him.

Just about any one of us would have been tickled pink to find a manilla envelope in the mail with a cut copy of Hard Times (or whatever) and a note "Please scan this for me. Have it back to me by June. Appreciate the help! Thanx, MWM".

Multiply that by extra people. All volunteers, all willing to sign away any claims etc beyond a mention in the "Special Thanks" column of, well, something.

And what you would have had was the work of folks PASSIONATE for the product. Anyone here would have scanned Hard Times a dozen times if that's what it took to make it look just right.

Heck, some of us would have been hardcore enough to audit and correct the OCR as well.

Why? Because we want the product, and we want it to work. It's hard for us to do ourselves the entire suite (just a plain lot of scanning and checking), and nobody would reap the benefits of all that labor because we can't distribute it ourselves. Both of those facets deter us from doing the project on our own.

But do it for the community? Get help from others? The books would have been scanned and OCR'd in a month, and they'd all be high quality.

Send everyone a different book, send the masters back to Mark, send the scan results of a different book to the others for some editing and quality control by a new set of eyes, get the finished works, drag and drop onto the "Burn CD" Folder and voila!

So, beyond answering a few emails, and lining up the people, labor is minimal. It's all management. The labor is for us, the passionate nutjobs, who would do it willingly.

I don't know if the idea was even floated, but a community like this is available to be leveraged. If we start being abused, we'd just push back, but until then I think a lot of us are more than willing to help.

And it's a shame that we weren't given the chance.
 
Yes but Marc is trying to make a living like we all do. So he brought a product to us of his own labour, with materials he owns and worked on previously at length, and asked us to pay for it. Seems reasonable to me, honourable even.

From where I am sitting, I am very pleased to have this product even with the flaws it has; it has lots of good stuff in it.
 
Yes but Marc is trying to make a living like we all do. So he brought a product to us of his own labour, with materials he owns and worked on previously at length, and asked us to pay for it. Seems reasonable to me, honourable even.

From where I am sitting, I am very pleased to have this product even with the flaws it has; it has lots of good stuff in it.
 
Yes but Marc is trying to make a living like we all do. So he brought a product to us of his own labour, with materials he owns and worked on previously at length, and asked us to pay for it. Seems reasonable to me, honourable even.

From where I am sitting, I am very pleased to have this product even with the flaws it has; it has lots of good stuff in it.
 
I was over at a friends the other day using the MT CD-ROm to generate a character. I am going to be running it for the first time and he is an old Traveller hand who ran a MT campaign for some time years ago. Therefore he is my mentor.

We discovered that in the basic character generation section in the Players rulebook there are at least 2-3 pages missing from all these scans. Fortunately we are both familier enough with the product anyway that we could get by without it (one of the missing pages is the first skill summary pages), but even so it was a bit of a discovery that annoyed us.
 
I was over at a friends the other day using the MT CD-ROm to generate a character. I am going to be running it for the first time and he is an old Traveller hand who ran a MT campaign for some time years ago. Therefore he is my mentor.

We discovered that in the basic character generation section in the Players rulebook there are at least 2-3 pages missing from all these scans. Fortunately we are both familier enough with the product anyway that we could get by without it (one of the missing pages is the first skill summary pages), but even so it was a bit of a discovery that annoyed us.
 
I was over at a friends the other day using the MT CD-ROm to generate a character. I am going to be running it for the first time and he is an old Traveller hand who ran a MT campaign for some time years ago. Therefore he is my mentor.

We discovered that in the basic character generation section in the Players rulebook there are at least 2-3 pages missing from all these scans. Fortunately we are both familier enough with the product anyway that we could get by without it (one of the missing pages is the first skill summary pages), but even so it was a bit of a discovery that annoyed us.
 
If drivethru ever offers the MT Players' Manual for free again grab it quick. It is the third printing with most of the errata included.

I don't know why Marc didn't use it in the cd instead of the first printing?

I've found pages 27, 28, 63, and 64 to be missing.
 
If drivethru ever offers the MT Players' Manual for free again grab it quick. It is the third printing with most of the errata included.

I don't know why Marc didn't use it in the cd instead of the first printing?

I've found pages 27, 28, 63, and 64 to be missing.
 
If drivethru ever offers the MT Players' Manual for free again grab it quick. It is the third printing with most of the errata included.

I don't know why Marc didn't use it in the cd instead of the first printing?

I've found pages 27, 28, 63, and 64 to be missing.
 
I can say that the quality of that CD sounds so bad that I will go back on what I have said earlier when the interest for a product like this was suggested.

I will not buy it, not just to support a nice guy. If he produces something of low quality I will not buy it.

I think someone just lost a sale. Fan yes. Raving fanboy, no.

WTF is Marc up too? I hear only misery about T5, and now this.
 
I can say that the quality of that CD sounds so bad that I will go back on what I have said earlier when the interest for a product like this was suggested.

I will not buy it, not just to support a nice guy. If he produces something of low quality I will not buy it.

I think someone just lost a sale. Fan yes. Raving fanboy, no.

WTF is Marc up too? I hear only misery about T5, and now this.
 
I can say that the quality of that CD sounds so bad that I will go back on what I have said earlier when the interest for a product like this was suggested.

I will not buy it, not just to support a nice guy. If he produces something of low quality I will not buy it.

I think someone just lost a sale. Fan yes. Raving fanboy, no.

WTF is Marc up too? I hear only misery about T5, and now this.
 
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