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Originally posted by hirch duckfinder:
Yes but Marc is trying to make a living like we all do. So he brought a product to us of his own labour, with materials he owns and worked on previously at length, and asked us to pay for it. Seems reasonable to me, honourable even.
I never suggested that he not charge for the product, it just seems that in the modern connected age, faciliated by boards such as this, he should have shifted his view a bit and leverage the community to make his product that much better.

Now I'm not going to suggest that when he started he said "I'm going to ensure that mediocrity is the herald of the day for this product". But, from reports, that's what ended up as the end result.

And apparently the errors are fairly gross that any reasonable review of the finished material would have brought them to light.

If MM had made a plea for help to this board, or the TML, I assert he would have had more volunteers to offload all of the labor that goes in to producing this product than he would have known what to do with.

Many folks have scanners and software capable of the task of assembling the CD-ROM. His greatest expense would have been shipping the materials to folks to scan it in, as most folks would be hesitant to cut the bindings off of their own books.

He would have found folks who would have gladly taking the time to scan, proofread, and rescan to make sure that the book they scanned was good enough to suit them, the folks the product is targeted at, the long time fans of the system.

All of that labor would have been saved on his part, and he'd only have to focus on coordinating a final review, organizing the CD, and burning the master -- hardly the most critical part of the project. If folks were handed a directory named "MT" with a dozen PDF files, folks would have been happy enough.

All of that labor wouldn't have cost him a dime, would have saved time, would have resulted in a product of superior quality, and left him to work on his other projects.

Instead, we got a rush job that may have well been thrown together in a weekend -- and this thread is almost a year old.

It's just disappointing.
 
Originally posted by hirch duckfinder:
Yes but Marc is trying to make a living like we all do. So he brought a product to us of his own labour, with materials he owns and worked on previously at length, and asked us to pay for it. Seems reasonable to me, honourable even.
I never suggested that he not charge for the product, it just seems that in the modern connected age, faciliated by boards such as this, he should have shifted his view a bit and leverage the community to make his product that much better.

Now I'm not going to suggest that when he started he said "I'm going to ensure that mediocrity is the herald of the day for this product". But, from reports, that's what ended up as the end result.

And apparently the errors are fairly gross that any reasonable review of the finished material would have brought them to light.

If MM had made a plea for help to this board, or the TML, I assert he would have had more volunteers to offload all of the labor that goes in to producing this product than he would have known what to do with.

Many folks have scanners and software capable of the task of assembling the CD-ROM. His greatest expense would have been shipping the materials to folks to scan it in, as most folks would be hesitant to cut the bindings off of their own books.

He would have found folks who would have gladly taking the time to scan, proofread, and rescan to make sure that the book they scanned was good enough to suit them, the folks the product is targeted at, the long time fans of the system.

All of that labor would have been saved on his part, and he'd only have to focus on coordinating a final review, organizing the CD, and burning the master -- hardly the most critical part of the project. If folks were handed a directory named "MT" with a dozen PDF files, folks would have been happy enough.

All of that labor wouldn't have cost him a dime, would have saved time, would have resulted in a product of superior quality, and left him to work on his other projects.

Instead, we got a rush job that may have well been thrown together in a weekend -- and this thread is almost a year old.

It's just disappointing.
 
Originally posted by hirch duckfinder:
Yes but Marc is trying to make a living like we all do. So he brought a product to us of his own labour, with materials he owns and worked on previously at length, and asked us to pay for it. Seems reasonable to me, honourable even.
I never suggested that he not charge for the product, it just seems that in the modern connected age, faciliated by boards such as this, he should have shifted his view a bit and leverage the community to make his product that much better.

Now I'm not going to suggest that when he started he said "I'm going to ensure that mediocrity is the herald of the day for this product". But, from reports, that's what ended up as the end result.

And apparently the errors are fairly gross that any reasonable review of the finished material would have brought them to light.

If MM had made a plea for help to this board, or the TML, I assert he would have had more volunteers to offload all of the labor that goes in to producing this product than he would have known what to do with.

Many folks have scanners and software capable of the task of assembling the CD-ROM. His greatest expense would have been shipping the materials to folks to scan it in, as most folks would be hesitant to cut the bindings off of their own books.

He would have found folks who would have gladly taking the time to scan, proofread, and rescan to make sure that the book they scanned was good enough to suit them, the folks the product is targeted at, the long time fans of the system.

All of that labor would have been saved on his part, and he'd only have to focus on coordinating a final review, organizing the CD, and burning the master -- hardly the most critical part of the project. If folks were handed a directory named "MT" with a dozen PDF files, folks would have been happy enough.

All of that labor wouldn't have cost him a dime, would have saved time, would have resulted in a product of superior quality, and left him to work on his other projects.

Instead, we got a rush job that may have well been thrown together in a weekend -- and this thread is almost a year old.

It's just disappointing.
 
Plus, there is the added bonus of fans doing something back for the hobby that has given them so much. I really can't understand why release a mediocre product. It does not bode well for T5 if blackened spaces are what is in the PDF, then is T5 been thrown together in similar haste this would tar the rest of the Traveller universes and I for one would hate to see that to happen.
 
Plus, there is the added bonus of fans doing something back for the hobby that has given them so much. I really can't understand why release a mediocre product. It does not bode well for T5 if blackened spaces are what is in the PDF, then is T5 been thrown together in similar haste this would tar the rest of the Traveller universes and I for one would hate to see that to happen.
 
Plus, there is the added bonus of fans doing something back for the hobby that has given them so much. I really can't understand why release a mediocre product. It does not bode well for T5 if blackened spaces are what is in the PDF, then is T5 been thrown together in similar haste this would tar the rest of the Traveller universes and I for one would hate to see that to happen.
 
Originally posted by whartung:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by FlightCommanderSolitude:
That's possible, although I suspect it would take some work. Ultimately it would be easier to just rescan the pages, but do it properly.
You want to know what the tragedy is here?

The tragedy is, of course, that these problems didn't have to happen at all.

There is no reason whatsoever that MWM couldn't have leveraged the community to aid in this project.

At a minimum he could have sent preview copies to a select group of folks to do some simple auditing.

</font>[/QUOTE]He did. Regrettably, I saw the preview, and if I had checked things out thoroughly I would have caught them. I didn't even consider that these kinds of things would happen.
 
Originally posted by whartung:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by FlightCommanderSolitude:
That's possible, although I suspect it would take some work. Ultimately it would be easier to just rescan the pages, but do it properly.
You want to know what the tragedy is here?

The tragedy is, of course, that these problems didn't have to happen at all.

There is no reason whatsoever that MWM couldn't have leveraged the community to aid in this project.

At a minimum he could have sent preview copies to a select group of folks to do some simple auditing.

</font>[/QUOTE]He did. Regrettably, I saw the preview, and if I had checked things out thoroughly I would have caught them. I didn't even consider that these kinds of things would happen.
 
Originally posted by whartung:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by FlightCommanderSolitude:
That's possible, although I suspect it would take some work. Ultimately it would be easier to just rescan the pages, but do it properly.
You want to know what the tragedy is here?

The tragedy is, of course, that these problems didn't have to happen at all.

There is no reason whatsoever that MWM couldn't have leveraged the community to aid in this project.

At a minimum he could have sent preview copies to a select group of folks to do some simple auditing.

</font>[/QUOTE]He did. Regrettably, I saw the preview, and if I had checked things out thoroughly I would have caught them. I didn't even consider that these kinds of things would happen.
 
Considering the bad reviews, and that I've got the DTRPG scans, I'm also NOT buying, until either MWM has it corrected.
 
Considering the bad reviews, and that I've got the DTRPG scans, I'm also NOT buying, until either MWM has it corrected.
 
Considering the bad reviews, and that I've got the DTRPG scans, I'm also NOT buying, until either MWM has it corrected.
 
Hirch, not true. I think most of the people who contributed their labour would only want credit and a discount off the final product which would be a reasonable reward. Plus they would certainly make sure their FGLS carried the product far & wide if there would be bonuses associated with sales growth. Eg. a basic 5% that could climb to 25% if sales exceeded X. Have the fans and creators act as one.
 
Hirch, not true. I think most of the people who contributed their labour would only want credit and a discount off the final product which would be a reasonable reward. Plus they would certainly make sure their FGLS carried the product far & wide if there would be bonuses associated with sales growth. Eg. a basic 5% that could climb to 25% if sales exceeded X. Have the fans and creators act as one.
 
Hirch, not true. I think most of the people who contributed their labour would only want credit and a discount off the final product which would be a reasonable reward. Plus they would certainly make sure their FGLS carried the product far & wide if there would be bonuses associated with sales growth. Eg. a basic 5% that could climb to 25% if sales exceeded X. Have the fans and creators act as one.
 
I agree with Whartung. There are a lot of people I know that if need be, would have retyped it from scratch, no need for a scan. Corrected errors and mistakes, etc.

And still paid for it. Just to have all of that material again. To have Traveller on the mind of the community. The Glory Days, when I'd take a bus across the city to the one hobby store because I KNEW there'd be a reserved copy of a brand new LBB there, no matter what it had in it.

No matter that the D&D players called it, "The game that kills your PC in character Generation."

Back in the day when Megatraveller was released, I thought, looking at the box art, it was to be the do all and be all of all Traveller. Updated, revised, expanded.

What was I thinking?

Glad I am that T4 came out. To me, it was what MT tried to be, but sadly failed.

Oh well. I still have my "The Traveller Book" and my DGP stuff. I miss those days.
 
I agree with Whartung. There are a lot of people I know that if need be, would have retyped it from scratch, no need for a scan. Corrected errors and mistakes, etc.

And still paid for it. Just to have all of that material again. To have Traveller on the mind of the community. The Glory Days, when I'd take a bus across the city to the one hobby store because I KNEW there'd be a reserved copy of a brand new LBB there, no matter what it had in it.

No matter that the D&D players called it, "The game that kills your PC in character Generation."

Back in the day when Megatraveller was released, I thought, looking at the box art, it was to be the do all and be all of all Traveller. Updated, revised, expanded.

What was I thinking?

Glad I am that T4 came out. To me, it was what MT tried to be, but sadly failed.

Oh well. I still have my "The Traveller Book" and my DGP stuff. I miss those days.
 
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