Working on a flattened Sphere trader

[kilemall]

So, I'm used to MgT1, where crew and Middle passage get double bunked in 4T staterooms. I had come up with the attached suggestion assuming it was all passengers, incorporating the one refresher per cabin thing (only shown in 2 cabins, but meant for all) because I can't imagine 1st class cabins with an external, shared facility, particularly having only 2 for 13 people. I had liked the original idea of the common element, but I thought 1st class passengers should also have a more formal dining experience, so I rearranged the common areas to make a formal dining room. (It's pure chance I got 8 and 5, but that means you get a crew table and a passenger table.)

Hmm this deck plan with the long table sparked an idea, in the same vein as dual use/wall folding stateroom furniture, the big table could also be the cooking center with pop up ovens/fridges/grills/storage then all slide back down for actual meal.

 

[Badenov]

Hmm this deck plan with the long table sparked an idea, in the same vein as dual use/wall folding stateroom furniture, the big table could also be the cooking center with pop up ovens/fridges/grills/storage then all slide back down for actual meal.

Well, that could work, but the original post stated there were already 2dt allotted for kitchens outside the original deck plan area. And self-serve doesn't seem right to me for first class. Though it would be totally reasonable for the small table to be a food prep area instead. You could put walls around it, so it's out of sight like a real kitchen, and the crew could eat separately since the stewards wouldn't eat at the same time anyway, and some of the crew would be on-shift in engineering or in the cockpit at any time as well. Then the 2dt (3mx3mx3m high, or 2 squares by 2 squares) that got allotted for kitchens might becomes a crew break room where they eat as and when they can..

 

[aramis]

I like this floortplan overall, but, 2 bathrooms for 13 people feels more like the Navy than High Passage. (4 shower stalls for 36 people and we had the smallest berthing on my ship!) Could the chair's space in each cabin be replaced, allowing facilities to be placed in each room? Moving facilities into each room would let you recover (most of) the 2 bathrooms for slightly larger cabins to accomodate individual facilities. They'd fit in your current floorplans as demonstrated, but you might plus up each cabin a smidgen with the recovered space to accomodate passenger baggage associated with High Passage.

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Move the commode into the shower stall as a fold-out or slide out (slide out from under bed), and add a small sink in the shower, and you can have your in-room fresher and a chair.
Saw a slide-out toilet on a youtuber's camper build a couple weeks back...

 

[Badenov]

Move the commode into the shower stall as a fold-out or slide out (slide out from under bed), and add a small sink in the shower, and you can have your in-room fresher and a chair.
Saw a slide-out toilet on a youtuber's camper build a couple weeks back...

I thought about merging the shower into an old-style French WC, but it seemed kinda gross to dual purpose the commode functions even if you could do it sanitation-wise. But the whole space has a 3-meter ceiling. If you change that to a 2.25-meter ceiling, you could have all sorts of things retract into the floor when not in use, and 2.25m is probably plenty of ceiling. That'd reclaim the floorspace of the bathroom area in each cabin.

 

[spank]

I thought about merging the shower into an old-style French WC, but it seemed kinda gross to dual purpose the commode functions even if you could do it sanitation-wise. But the whole space has a 3-meter ceiling. If you change that to a 2.25-meter ceiling, you could have all sorts of things retract into the floor when not in use, and 2.25m is probably plenty of ceiling. That'd reclaim the floorspace of the bathroom area in each cabin.

The Starship Geomorph files have a symbol for combination Sink/Toilet......

 

[Spinward Flow]

The Starship Geomorph files have a symbol for combination Sink/Toilet......

This is basically every toilet in a Japanese home.
There's a (clean) blue water spout + sink on top of the tank to wash your hands with. The sink drains the (no longer quite so clean) grey water into the tank to hold it in preparation of the next flush. So the reserve tank isn't connected directly to the incoming water line, there's an "intermediate step" of having a hand washing sink on top of the toilet that the incoming water passes through before draining into the reserve tank for the next flush.

It's very efficient as well as good at promoting hygiene, since you don't need to go to a separate sink (elsewhere) to wash your hands after every flush ... the sink is right there, mere centimeters away from the flush handle. Use the incoming water to (1) wash hands, before using it to (2) flush the bowl. Wastes far less water that way, which is important in a resource constrained economy (which Japan was, and still is in many ways, for quite a long time).

 

[mike wightman]

"Sanitary necessities are handled by the fresher, which includes a multi-function shower, a toilet, a sink, and a small washer/dryer (for the benefit of middle passengers). All components fold unobtrusively out of the way when not in use."
canon, Signal GK.

 

[Spinward Flow]

"Sanitary necessities are handled by the fresher, which includes a multi-function shower, a toilet, a sink, and a small washer/dryer (for the benefit of middle passengers). All components fold unobtrusively out of the way when not in use."
canon, Signal GK.

May be canon (Signal GK, as you cite).
Try making all of those services "fit" into a deck plan.

And the idea that everything can be "folded" into the walls/floor sounds great in theory ... once you actually have to live with things working that way the basic notion starts running into a few problems of execution.

I encourage anyone reading this thread to provide an example of a "fold up" laundry (washer/dryer) machine that can change the volume the machine occupies.

 

[kilemall]

Star citizen has about 50 plus fresher setups, most in ships. The port apartment example here is pretty typical of the setup.

 

[Spinward Flow]

Very nice looking retractables in that video.
Follow up question ... how WIDE do the walls need to be in order to accommodate the foldouts in that fresher?
I'm guessing that they need more than 10cm of space to hide away in.

9-10cm is TL=10-11 Crystaliron bulkhead wall thickness.
Note that interior partition walls will be much thinner ... so not a whole lot of "room" to fold up/disappear into a wall without some significant "dead space" behind the wall to retract everything into.

Sure, the "walkable volume" of the fresher may be minimalist, but the "walls" surrounding that space will need to be "thicker" in order to retract stuff into them (still).

The advantage of the above example is the multipurpose use of a confined closet space volume ... but the support equipment needed to make that "work" is going to be larger than the walk in volume needed. Maybe not 1.5m (+1 deck square) on each side ... but perhaps +0.5m width on the 3 sides surrounding the 1.5m x 1m of deck floor area devoted to the fresher closet would make sense. So the actual "size" of the Fresher Unit Module is closer to 1.5+0.5=2.0m x 1+0.5+0.5=2.0m when viewed top down on a deck plan, when including the wall spaces that stuff retracts into on 3 sides of the unit.

 

[Condottiere]

At technological level ten, heated heat seeking independently targetted bidet.

Plus, automatic urine and stool analysis.

 

[Spinward Flow]

Sure, sure ...
But you still need a "bowl" bigger than a small dixie cup to ... unload ... that into ...

Some things can't be miniaturized beyond a certain point ...

 

[Condottiere]

One size doesn't fit all.

I know someone in Florida tried marketing the extra deep bowl for extra large men.

And, those with extra mass would need additional acreage.

The bowl could be made expandable.