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[Low-G Vagabond]

Thanks for the Darrian's info Sig.

I just read the Darrian's sourcebook this week and was a little surprised by the adventure part myself....but man that could be a good campaign hook..

Thanks again,

Raelian

 

[Badbru]

Originally posted by Bill Cameron:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by kafka47:
The Vargr are also independent enough to take orders from no machine. Remember, Vargr Charisma depends upon deeds not words.

Kafka,

And yet, Oekhsos' anti-Imperial tirades are enough to send the Vargr over the border in waves. And not just 400dTon corsairs either, major naval assets too. Go figure.


The Rebellion Sourcebook does hint that these anti-Imperial feelings already exist and that Oekhsos merely voices them in a manner the Vargr find compelling.

As for "deeds, not words", if Vargr following Oekhsos' recommendations gain in charisma, Oekhsos does too.


Have fun,
Bill </font>[/QUOTE]Not to mention a dead Emperor, a shattered Imperium too busy with it's own divisions, Lucans withdrawl of the corridor fleet, and as an adventure in Challenge suggested, a deal struck by Norris which suggests he's quite happy to have Corridor full of Vargr as they make great buffer states between D of D and the rest of the Imperium. Plus Norris knows the Vargr being Vargr wont build a large, long lasting, state in there, it will splinter sooner or later.

Surely the Vargr don't need a machine to tell them there are wealthy pickings to be taken in former Imperial space and no unified Imperium to chase them off.

 

[Badbru]

Originally posted by Bill Cameron:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by kafka47:
The Vargr are also independent enough to take orders from no machine. Remember, Vargr Charisma depends upon deeds not words.

Kafka,

And yet, Oekhsos' anti-Imperial tirades are enough to send the Vargr over the border in waves. And not just 400dTon corsairs either, major naval assets too. Go figure.


The Rebellion Sourcebook does hint that these anti-Imperial feelings already exist and that Oekhsos merely voices them in a manner the Vargr find compelling.

As for "deeds, not words", if Vargr following Oekhsos' recommendations gain in charisma, Oekhsos does too.


Have fun,
Bill </font>[/QUOTE]Not to mention a dead Emperor, a shattered Imperium too busy with it's own divisions, Lucans withdrawl of the corridor fleet, and as an adventure in Challenge suggested, a deal struck by Norris which suggests he's quite happy to have Corridor full of Vargr as they make great buffer states between D of D and the rest of the Imperium. Plus Norris knows the Vargr being Vargr wont build a large, long lasting, state in there, it will splinter sooner or later.

Surely the Vargr don't need a machine to tell them there are wealthy pickings to be taken in former Imperial space and no unified Imperium to chase them off.

 

[Badbru]

Originally posted by Bill Cameron:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by kafka47:
The Vargr are also independent enough to take orders from no machine. Remember, Vargr Charisma depends upon deeds not words.

Kafka,

And yet, Oekhsos' anti-Imperial tirades are enough to send the Vargr over the border in waves. And not just 400dTon corsairs either, major naval assets too. Go figure.


The Rebellion Sourcebook does hint that these anti-Imperial feelings already exist and that Oekhsos merely voices them in a manner the Vargr find compelling.

As for "deeds, not words", if Vargr following Oekhsos' recommendations gain in charisma, Oekhsos does too.


Have fun,
Bill </font>[/QUOTE]Not to mention a dead Emperor, a shattered Imperium too busy with it's own divisions, Lucans withdrawl of the corridor fleet, and as an adventure in Challenge suggested, a deal struck by Norris which suggests he's quite happy to have Corridor full of Vargr as they make great buffer states between D of D and the rest of the Imperium. Plus Norris knows the Vargr being Vargr wont build a large, long lasting, state in there, it will splinter sooner or later.

Surely the Vargr don't need a machine to tell them there are wealthy pickings to be taken in former Imperial space and no unified Imperium to chase them off.

 

[Liam Devlin]

Ahh But Badbru!

Think of Oekhsos' as an AI Virus-- Bill's right--

What did happen to the Vargr Extants?

Charismatic AI-Cyms, as 1248 calls them, would definitely make headway here, and with many variants, but Oekhsos everywhere...well..the ability to adapt to chaos and mercurial leadership changes, methinks the Vargr would adapt to the AI-leadership.

We had the TNE examples of alien computers infected of the Droyne first, in the "Operation Cosmic Fire" adventure on Daaliisa/Promise set in Smash & Grab TNE booklet. Later with 1248, we see the K'Kree AI
's conversion to follow into the Dominate; the Hiver's troubles with their systems (manipulate this, starfish!

), and the Hierate's in Aslan systems (hellbent on conquering their organic subjects no doubt ).

IMO, the Extants are probably a patchquilt of states again...some free of the AI-influence, others worshipping or serving it. Either way, the Vargr, based on the success = lead, fail = depose and supplant, AI-Cyms that failed to achieve success would eventually be questionned, opposed, and replaced.
Those that succeeded, are probably still in power. These are my thoughts on it. As always, its only .000000125Mcr, inflation adjusted, of course!

 

[Liam Devlin]

Ahh But Badbru!

Think of Oekhsos' as an AI Virus-- Bill's right--

What did happen to the Vargr Extants?

Charismatic AI-Cyms, as 1248 calls them, would definitely make headway here, and with many variants, but Oekhsos everywhere...well..the ability to adapt to chaos and mercurial leadership changes, methinks the Vargr would adapt to the AI-leadership.

We had the TNE examples of alien computers infected of the Droyne first, in the "Operation Cosmic Fire" adventure on Daaliisa/Promise set in Smash & Grab TNE booklet. Later with 1248, we see the K'Kree AI
's conversion to follow into the Dominate; the Hiver's troubles with their systems (manipulate this, starfish!

), and the Hierate's in Aslan systems (hellbent on conquering their organic subjects no doubt ).

IMO, the Extants are probably a patchquilt of states again...some free of the AI-influence, others worshipping or serving it. Either way, the Vargr, based on the success = lead, fail = depose and supplant, AI-Cyms that failed to achieve success would eventually be questionned, opposed, and replaced.
Those that succeeded, are probably still in power. These are my thoughts on it. As always, its only .000000125Mcr, inflation adjusted, of course!

 

[Liam Devlin]

Ahh But Badbru!

Think of Oekhsos' as an AI Virus-- Bill's right--

What did happen to the Vargr Extants?

Charismatic AI-Cyms, as 1248 calls them, would definitely make headway here, and with many variants, but Oekhsos everywhere...well..the ability to adapt to chaos and mercurial leadership changes, methinks the Vargr would adapt to the AI-leadership.

We had the TNE examples of alien computers infected of the Droyne first, in the "Operation Cosmic Fire" adventure on Daaliisa/Promise set in Smash & Grab TNE booklet. Later with 1248, we see the K'Kree AI
's conversion to follow into the Dominate; the Hiver's troubles with their systems (manipulate this, starfish!

), and the Hierate's in Aslan systems (hellbent on conquering their organic subjects no doubt ).

IMO, the Extants are probably a patchquilt of states again...some free of the AI-influence, others worshipping or serving it. Either way, the Vargr, based on the success = lead, fail = depose and supplant, AI-Cyms that failed to achieve success would eventually be questionned, opposed, and replaced.
Those that succeeded, are probably still in power. These are my thoughts on it. As always, its only .000000125Mcr, inflation adjusted, of course!

 

[DED]

Originally posted by Liam Devlin:
Ahh But Badbru!

Think of Oekhsos' as an AI Virus-- Bill's right--

What did happen to the Vargr Extants?

Charismatic AI-Cyms, as 1248 calls them, would definitely make headway here, and with many variants, but Oekhsos everywhere...well..the ability to adapt to chaos and mercurial leadership changes, methinks the Vargr would adapt to the AI-leadership.

I'm hoping that 1248 explores this avenue somewhere down the road, but I'm pessimisstic. The Vargr extents are too often treated as GM reserves. The obvious exceptions being: AM3's coverage of Gvurrdon sector and DGP's Vilani & Vargr for MT. TNE didn't mention anything beyond a few Referee's Notes in RSB. I'd like to see Martin et al give us a vargr extents sourcebook for 1248 but I'd imagine that it would be waaaaaay down the list.

 

[DED]

Originally posted by Liam Devlin:
Ahh But Badbru!

Think of Oekhsos' as an AI Virus-- Bill's right--

What did happen to the Vargr Extants?

Charismatic AI-Cyms, as 1248 calls them, would definitely make headway here, and with many variants, but Oekhsos everywhere...well..the ability to adapt to chaos and mercurial leadership changes, methinks the Vargr would adapt to the AI-leadership.

I'm hoping that 1248 explores this avenue somewhere down the road, but I'm pessimisstic. The Vargr extents are too often treated as GM reserves. The obvious exceptions being: AM3's coverage of Gvurrdon sector and DGP's Vilani & Vargr for MT. TNE didn't mention anything beyond a few Referee's Notes in RSB. I'd like to see Martin et al give us a vargr extents sourcebook for 1248 but I'd imagine that it would be waaaaaay down the list.

 

[DED]

Originally posted by Liam Devlin:
Ahh But Badbru!

Think of Oekhsos' as an AI Virus-- Bill's right--

What did happen to the Vargr Extants?

Charismatic AI-Cyms, as 1248 calls them, would definitely make headway here, and with many variants, but Oekhsos everywhere...well..the ability to adapt to chaos and mercurial leadership changes, methinks the Vargr would adapt to the AI-leadership.

I'm hoping that 1248 explores this avenue somewhere down the road, but I'm pessimisstic. The Vargr extents are too often treated as GM reserves. The obvious exceptions being: AM3's coverage of Gvurrdon sector and DGP's Vilani & Vargr for MT. TNE didn't mention anything beyond a few Referee's Notes in RSB. I'd like to see Martin et al give us a vargr extents sourcebook for 1248 but I'd imagine that it would be waaaaaay down the list.

 

[alanb]

Originally posted by DED:
I'd like to see Martin et al give us a vargr extents sourcebook for 1248 but I'd imagine that it would be waaaaaay down the list.

I imagine that we would be more likely to see details on areas of the Imperium that the Vargr had occupied during the Rebellion. Places like Corridor and Lishun, for example.

These would presumably exhibit most of the characteristics to be seen in Vargr space proper, and we can reasonably expect to see something about them fairly early on, simply because of their relationship and interaction with "whatever happened to the Regency".

Specifically, the Regency would have had to have pushed through formerly Vargr held Corridor to contact the RC.

 

[alanb]

Originally posted by DED:
I'd like to see Martin et al give us a vargr extents sourcebook for 1248 but I'd imagine that it would be waaaaaay down the list.

I imagine that we would be more likely to see details on areas of the Imperium that the Vargr had occupied during the Rebellion. Places like Corridor and Lishun, for example.

These would presumably exhibit most of the characteristics to be seen in Vargr space proper, and we can reasonably expect to see something about them fairly early on, simply because of their relationship and interaction with "whatever happened to the Regency".

Specifically, the Regency would have had to have pushed through formerly Vargr held Corridor to contact the RC.

 

[alanb]

Originally posted by DED:
I'd like to see Martin et al give us a vargr extents sourcebook for 1248 but I'd imagine that it would be waaaaaay down the list.

I imagine that we would be more likely to see details on areas of the Imperium that the Vargr had occupied during the Rebellion. Places like Corridor and Lishun, for example.

These would presumably exhibit most of the characteristics to be seen in Vargr space proper, and we can reasonably expect to see something about them fairly early on, simply because of their relationship and interaction with "whatever happened to the Regency".

Specifically, the Regency would have had to have pushed through formerly Vargr held Corridor to contact the RC.

 

[daryen]

Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
The secret behind the star trigger was the focus of the adventure in the CT Darrians alien module.

Later canon assumes that the Darrians learned how to make the star trigger work.

Yes, from 1110 onward it is the basic assumption that the Star Trigger actually works. It is rather cumbersome to deply, and of limited strategic use, however.

But, ... we don't actually know that it works. Sure they finally got the technology of the original probes right, but there is no direct proof that the new, corrected Star Trigger actually works.

In MTU, I have always assumed that the original probes were coincident, not causal. The Maghiz occurred because it did, the Darrians not cause it.

 

[daryen]

Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
The secret behind the star trigger was the focus of the adventure in the CT Darrians alien module.

Later canon assumes that the Darrians learned how to make the star trigger work.

Yes, from 1110 onward it is the basic assumption that the Star Trigger actually works. It is rather cumbersome to deply, and of limited strategic use, however.

But, ... we don't actually know that it works. Sure they finally got the technology of the original probes right, but there is no direct proof that the new, corrected Star Trigger actually works.

In MTU, I have always assumed that the original probes were coincident, not causal. The Maghiz occurred because it did, the Darrians not cause it.

 

[daryen]

Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
The secret behind the star trigger was the focus of the adventure in the CT Darrians alien module.

Later canon assumes that the Darrians learned how to make the star trigger work.

Yes, from 1110 onward it is the basic assumption that the Star Trigger actually works. It is rather cumbersome to deply, and of limited strategic use, however.

But, ... we don't actually know that it works. Sure they finally got the technology of the original probes right, but there is no direct proof that the new, corrected Star Trigger actually works.

In MTU, I have always assumed that the original probes were coincident, not causal. The Maghiz occurred because it did, the Darrians not cause it.

 

[daryen]

Originally posted by alanb:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DED:
I'd like to see Martin et al give us a vargr extents sourcebook for 1248 but I'd imagine that it would be waaaaaay down the list.

I imagine that we would be more likely to see details on areas of the Imperium that the Vargr had occupied during the Rebellion. Places like Corridor and Lishun, for example.

Specifically, the Regency would have had to have pushed through formerly Vargr held Corridor to contact the RC. </font>[/QUOTE]With any luck the Spinward States sourcebook for 1248 will include a decent description of how the Vargr fared. The rimward half of Gvurrdon should be at least indirectly addressed. (I.e. no maps, but its political disposition should be described.)

To the larger idea of a Vargr Extents sourcebook for 1248, it is in no worse position than any other region. I imagine the order of regions covered will be more dependent on who wants to write what than on any perceived order of importance.

 

[daryen]

Originally posted by alanb:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DED:
I'd like to see Martin et al give us a vargr extents sourcebook for 1248 but I'd imagine that it would be waaaaaay down the list.

I imagine that we would be more likely to see details on areas of the Imperium that the Vargr had occupied during the Rebellion. Places like Corridor and Lishun, for example.

Specifically, the Regency would have had to have pushed through formerly Vargr held Corridor to contact the RC. </font>[/QUOTE]With any luck the Spinward States sourcebook for 1248 will include a decent description of how the Vargr fared. The rimward half of Gvurrdon should be at least indirectly addressed. (I.e. no maps, but its political disposition should be described.)

To the larger idea of a Vargr Extents sourcebook for 1248, it is in no worse position than any other region. I imagine the order of regions covered will be more dependent on who wants to write what than on any perceived order of importance.

 

[daryen]

Originally posted by alanb:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DED:
I'd like to see Martin et al give us a vargr extents sourcebook for 1248 but I'd imagine that it would be waaaaaay down the list.

I imagine that we would be more likely to see details on areas of the Imperium that the Vargr had occupied during the Rebellion. Places like Corridor and Lishun, for example.

Specifically, the Regency would have had to have pushed through formerly Vargr held Corridor to contact the RC. </font>[/QUOTE]With any luck the Spinward States sourcebook for 1248 will include a decent description of how the Vargr fared. The rimward half of Gvurrdon should be at least indirectly addressed. (I.e. no maps, but its political disposition should be described.)

To the larger idea of a Vargr Extents sourcebook for 1248, it is in no worse position than any other region. I imagine the order of regions covered will be more dependent on who wants to write what than on any perceived order of importance.

 

[jfetters]

Specifically, the Regency would have had to have pushed through formerly Vargr held Corridor to contact the RC.

Not sure that I agree with this. I have been using the assumption that mid-rift fuel caches have been/are being used for this purpose.