IIRC his main proposed reform in cannon MT was the transformation of all planetary governments into democracies (GOV 4; I don't recall him stating the method with which he intended to do so) and Imperial involvement in local affairs to the benefit of the population. To that I'd add the formation of a "House of Commons" (one representative per subsector?) alongside the Moot, and certain anti-trust laws effecting the megacorps. I don't know if a big noble as himself would have both the vision and the courage to initiate something serious about the landed nobles' estates, atleast at the beginning of his plans (even with monetary compensation), but the masses WILL probably take the initiative in this matter. Just imagine his emotional state when a big landed noble's estate will be nationalized by a democratic planetary government under public pressure - on one hand, this is exactly the kind of planetary government he wished for (receptive to the people's wishes on one hand and not afraid of the nobility on the other hand), but, on the other hand, he will start to realize the magnitude of the change underway - far, far beyond his plan.
Ending the Rebellion or restarting it differently
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IIRC his main proposed reform in cannon MT was the transformation of all planetary governments into democracies (GOV 4; I don't recall him stating the method with which he intended to do so) and Imperial involvement in local affairs to the benefit of the population. To that I'd add the formation of a "House of Commons" (one representative per subsector?) alongside the Moot, and certain anti-trust laws effecting the megacorps. I don't know if a big noble as himself would have both the vision and the courage to initiate something serious about the landed nobles' estates, atleast at the beginning of his plans (even with monetary compensation), but the masses WILL probably take the initiative in this matter. Just imagine his emotional state when a big landed noble's estate will be nationalized by a democratic planetary government under public pressure - on one hand, this is exactly the kind of planetary government he wished for (receptive to the people's wishes on one hand and not afraid of the nobility on the other hand), but, on the other hand, he will start to realize the magnitude of the change underway - far, far beyond his plan.
Sifu Blackirish
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Just a quick aside...
Is that reported statistic of 1/3 of East Germany's population being associated with the security apparatus treally true? Chilling.
Makes me want to do some deep thinking about how my totalitarian government IMTU (the Dominion) really operates...
Is that reported statistic of 1/3 of East Germany's population being associated with the security apparatus treally true? Chilling.
Makes me want to do some deep thinking about how my totalitarian government IMTU (the Dominion) really operates...
Sifu Blackirish
SOC-14 1K
Just a quick aside...
Is that reported statistic of 1/3 of East Germany's population being associated with the security apparatus treally true? Chilling.
Makes me want to do some deep thinking about how my totalitarian government IMTU (the Dominion) really operates...
Is that reported statistic of 1/3 of East Germany's population being associated with the security apparatus treally true? Chilling.
Makes me want to do some deep thinking about how my totalitarian government IMTU (the Dominion) really operates...
Sifu Blackirish
SOC-14 1K
Just a quick aside...
Is that reported statistic of 1/3 of East Germany's population being associated with the security apparatus treally true? Chilling.
Makes me want to do some deep thinking about how my totalitarian government IMTU (the Dominion) really operates...
Is that reported statistic of 1/3 of East Germany's population being associated with the security apparatus treally true? Chilling.
Makes me want to do some deep thinking about how my totalitarian government IMTU (the Dominion) really operates...
jfetters
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Was there anything in the official canon that described specifically how Dulinor wanted to "reform" the government. I know it was some vague "more local power" meme, but I can't rememeber the specifics (and am too busy this weekend to read for it).
But anyway, back on to the main thrust of the thread, if Virus is taken out of the equation, and Dulinor still masses his "coronation fleet," he is the victor - witness the ease with which he sweeps into Core sector. The logical conclusion is that he will take the Iridium throne.
It is after this point that things get interesting, IMO. The conquered people of Lucan's Imperium will probably welcome anyone, even if it is the man who started the whole mess. Margaret is simply interested in making sure the (Tukera) freighters move on time, so there will probably not be the work in the way of fleet development.
From here, a new wave of "pacification campaigns" will need to happen for Delphi, Gushemege, Vland, Antares and the Rim. Then the Marches will have to be dealt with.
Anyway, thats how I see it ending, but who knows. It's not the ending that I would have wanted, but I think events would play out.
But anyway, back on to the main thrust of the thread, if Virus is taken out of the equation, and Dulinor still masses his "coronation fleet," he is the victor - witness the ease with which he sweeps into Core sector. The logical conclusion is that he will take the Iridium throne.
It is after this point that things get interesting, IMO. The conquered people of Lucan's Imperium will probably welcome anyone, even if it is the man who started the whole mess. Margaret is simply interested in making sure the (Tukera) freighters move on time, so there will probably not be the work in the way of fleet development.
From here, a new wave of "pacification campaigns" will need to happen for Delphi, Gushemege, Vland, Antares and the Rim. Then the Marches will have to be dealt with.
Anyway, thats how I see it ending, but who knows. It's not the ending that I would have wanted, but I think events would play out.
jfetters
SOC-14 1K
Was there anything in the official canon that described specifically how Dulinor wanted to "reform" the government. I know it was some vague "more local power" meme, but I can't rememeber the specifics (and am too busy this weekend to read for it).
But anyway, back on to the main thrust of the thread, if Virus is taken out of the equation, and Dulinor still masses his "coronation fleet," he is the victor - witness the ease with which he sweeps into Core sector. The logical conclusion is that he will take the Iridium throne.
It is after this point that things get interesting, IMO. The conquered people of Lucan's Imperium will probably welcome anyone, even if it is the man who started the whole mess. Margaret is simply interested in making sure the (Tukera) freighters move on time, so there will probably not be the work in the way of fleet development.
From here, a new wave of "pacification campaigns" will need to happen for Delphi, Gushemege, Vland, Antares and the Rim. Then the Marches will have to be dealt with.
Anyway, thats how I see it ending, but who knows. It's not the ending that I would have wanted, but I think events would play out.
But anyway, back on to the main thrust of the thread, if Virus is taken out of the equation, and Dulinor still masses his "coronation fleet," he is the victor - witness the ease with which he sweeps into Core sector. The logical conclusion is that he will take the Iridium throne.
It is after this point that things get interesting, IMO. The conquered people of Lucan's Imperium will probably welcome anyone, even if it is the man who started the whole mess. Margaret is simply interested in making sure the (Tukera) freighters move on time, so there will probably not be the work in the way of fleet development.
From here, a new wave of "pacification campaigns" will need to happen for Delphi, Gushemege, Vland, Antares and the Rim. Then the Marches will have to be dealt with.
Anyway, thats how I see it ending, but who knows. It's not the ending that I would have wanted, but I think events would play out.
jfetters
SOC-14 1K
Was there anything in the official canon that described specifically how Dulinor wanted to "reform" the government. I know it was some vague "more local power" meme, but I can't rememeber the specifics (and am too busy this weekend to read for it).
But anyway, back on to the main thrust of the thread, if Virus is taken out of the equation, and Dulinor still masses his "coronation fleet," he is the victor - witness the ease with which he sweeps into Core sector. The logical conclusion is that he will take the Iridium throne.
It is after this point that things get interesting, IMO. The conquered people of Lucan's Imperium will probably welcome anyone, even if it is the man who started the whole mess. Margaret is simply interested in making sure the (Tukera) freighters move on time, so there will probably not be the work in the way of fleet development.
From here, a new wave of "pacification campaigns" will need to happen for Delphi, Gushemege, Vland, Antares and the Rim. Then the Marches will have to be dealt with.
Anyway, thats how I see it ending, but who knows. It's not the ending that I would have wanted, but I think events would play out.
But anyway, back on to the main thrust of the thread, if Virus is taken out of the equation, and Dulinor still masses his "coronation fleet," he is the victor - witness the ease with which he sweeps into Core sector. The logical conclusion is that he will take the Iridium throne.
It is after this point that things get interesting, IMO. The conquered people of Lucan's Imperium will probably welcome anyone, even if it is the man who started the whole mess. Margaret is simply interested in making sure the (Tukera) freighters move on time, so there will probably not be the work in the way of fleet development.
From here, a new wave of "pacification campaigns" will need to happen for Delphi, Gushemege, Vland, Antares and the Rim. Then the Marches will have to be dealt with.
Anyway, thats how I see it ending, but who knows. It's not the ending that I would have wanted, but I think events would play out.
By 2-4601
“IIRC his main proposed reform in cannon MT was the transformation of all planetary governments into democracies...”
He was crazy. The system would have imploded from the inside out. The Imperial edifice did not rely on popular support but popular acquiesce. The 3I looks to have allowed wide leeway in local affairs. Imperial nobles, petty kings and religious states would not take kindly to these ideas.
By kafka47
that once his plan backfired, he would have been a gradualist . . .
I don’t think he would have gotten a second chance. Once he betrayed the system the system would have removed him.
“IIRC his main proposed reform in cannon MT was the transformation of all planetary governments into democracies...”
He was crazy. The system would have imploded from the inside out. The Imperial edifice did not rely on popular support but popular acquiesce. The 3I looks to have allowed wide leeway in local affairs. Imperial nobles, petty kings and religious states would not take kindly to these ideas.
By kafka47
that once his plan backfired, he would have been a gradualist . . .
I don’t think he would have gotten a second chance. Once he betrayed the system the system would have removed him.
By 2-4601
“IIRC his main proposed reform in cannon MT was the transformation of all planetary governments into democracies...”
He was crazy. The system would have imploded from the inside out. The Imperial edifice did not rely on popular support but popular acquiesce. The 3I looks to have allowed wide leeway in local affairs. Imperial nobles, petty kings and religious states would not take kindly to these ideas.
By kafka47
that once his plan backfired, he would have been a gradualist . . .
I don’t think he would have gotten a second chance. Once he betrayed the system the system would have removed him.
“IIRC his main proposed reform in cannon MT was the transformation of all planetary governments into democracies...”
He was crazy. The system would have imploded from the inside out. The Imperial edifice did not rely on popular support but popular acquiesce. The 3I looks to have allowed wide leeway in local affairs. Imperial nobles, petty kings and religious states would not take kindly to these ideas.
By kafka47
that once his plan backfired, he would have been a gradualist . . .
I don’t think he would have gotten a second chance. Once he betrayed the system the system would have removed him.
By 2-4601
“IIRC his main proposed reform in cannon MT was the transformation of all planetary governments into democracies...”
He was crazy. The system would have imploded from the inside out. The Imperial edifice did not rely on popular support but popular acquiesce. The 3I looks to have allowed wide leeway in local affairs. Imperial nobles, petty kings and religious states would not take kindly to these ideas.
By kafka47
that once his plan backfired, he would have been a gradualist . . .
I don’t think he would have gotten a second chance. Once he betrayed the system the system would have removed him.
“IIRC his main proposed reform in cannon MT was the transformation of all planetary governments into democracies...”
He was crazy. The system would have imploded from the inside out. The Imperial edifice did not rely on popular support but popular acquiesce. The 3I looks to have allowed wide leeway in local affairs. Imperial nobles, petty kings and religious states would not take kindly to these ideas.
By kafka47
that once his plan backfired, he would have been a gradualist . . .
I don’t think he would have gotten a second chance. Once he betrayed the system the system would have removed him.
Probably true; however, I suppose that this includes habitual informants and collaborators as well, not just direct empoyees. Still, scary to hell, and I know for fact that their police apparatus was one of the largest in the world, far bigger than Hitler's or Stalin's ones.
Probably true; however, I suppose that this includes habitual informants and collaborators as well, not just direct empoyees. Still, scary to hell, and I know for fact that their police apparatus was one of the largest in the world, far bigger than Hitler's or Stalin's ones.
Probably true; however, I suppose that this includes habitual informants and collaborators as well, not just direct empoyees. Still, scary to hell, and I know for fact that their police apparatus was one of the largest in the world, far bigger than Hitler's or Stalin's ones.
I recall it including much more Imperial intervention ("responsibility") in local planetary affairs, i.e. far less tolerance for local tyrants; this is why his symbol is a "galaxy" and not a "sunburst" as his model of the Imperium rules everything within his territory, not just the space between the stars. Reminds me of Louis XIV's absolutism and how it effectively replaced the old feudal administration with a more modern state machine, with the Monarch on top, ofcourse.
This is one of my ideas for a virusless Hard Times TU - Dulinor wins, establishes his absolute monarchy in the ravaged Core Sector, and tries to reestablish the Imperium (now as an absolute monarchy, i.e. replacing the administrative functions of nobles by appointed bureaucrats), but, beind hardened and blackened by a decade of war (as Hard Times describes him), his rule is a tyranny, a little better than Lucan's, but a tyranny nonetheless.
I recall it including much more Imperial intervention ("responsibility") in local planetary affairs, i.e. far less tolerance for local tyrants; this is why his symbol is a "galaxy" and not a "sunburst" as his model of the Imperium rules everything within his territory, not just the space between the stars. Reminds me of Louis XIV's absolutism and how it effectively replaced the old feudal administration with a more modern state machine, with the Monarch on top, ofcourse.
This is one of my ideas for a virusless Hard Times TU - Dulinor wins, establishes his absolute monarchy in the ravaged Core Sector, and tries to reestablish the Imperium (now as an absolute monarchy, i.e. replacing the administrative functions of nobles by appointed bureaucrats), but, beind hardened and blackened by a decade of war (as Hard Times describes him), his rule is a tyranny, a little better than Lucan's, but a tyranny nonetheless.
I recall it including much more Imperial intervention ("responsibility") in local planetary affairs, i.e. far less tolerance for local tyrants; this is why his symbol is a "galaxy" and not a "sunburst" as his model of the Imperium rules everything within his territory, not just the space between the stars. Reminds me of Louis XIV's absolutism and how it effectively replaced the old feudal administration with a more modern state machine, with the Monarch on top, ofcourse.
This is one of my ideas for a virusless Hard Times TU - Dulinor wins, establishes his absolute monarchy in the ravaged Core Sector, and tries to reestablish the Imperium (now as an absolute monarchy, i.e. replacing the administrative functions of nobles by appointed bureaucrats), but, beind hardened and blackened by a decade of war (as Hard Times describes him), his rule is a tyranny, a little better than Lucan's, but a tyranny nonetheless.
He would have got all the aliens offside as well. Essentially he would have been trying to implement a one size fits all approach to the spectacularly diverse Imperium. Just look at it through Brzk's eyes and think what it means to your charisma...
He would have been messing with the prerogatives of the Imperial ruling class while, at the same time probably being unlikely to be able or willing to mobilise popular support. This is a recipe for a very short lifespan.
And behaving like a crypto-Solomani human supremacist at the same time. Go Dulinor!
Basically. He would have stepped on far too many toes.
He was an idiot.
He would have got all the aliens offside as well. Essentially he would have been trying to implement a one size fits all approach to the spectacularly diverse Imperium. Just look at it through Brzk's eyes and think what it means to your charisma...
He would have been messing with the prerogatives of the Imperial ruling class while, at the same time probably being unlikely to be able or willing to mobilise popular support. This is a recipe for a very short lifespan.
And behaving like a crypto-Solomani human supremacist at the same time. Go Dulinor!
Basically. He would have stepped on far too many toes.
He was an idiot.
He would have got all the aliens offside as well. Essentially he would have been trying to implement a one size fits all approach to the spectacularly diverse Imperium. Just look at it through Brzk's eyes and think what it means to your charisma...
He would have been messing with the prerogatives of the Imperial ruling class while, at the same time probably being unlikely to be able or willing to mobilise popular support. This is a recipe for a very short lifespan.
And behaving like a crypto-Solomani human supremacist at the same time. Go Dulinor!
Basically. He would have stepped on far too many toes.
He was an idiot.