Who are the Amindii?
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Regina should be BcCeF in 1105. Where'd the "H" slip in? That means we have errata for something somewhere, and I NEED to find it...
Even with the hints provided by Gypsy and you, I can't figure out the notation. No interpretation I can surmise fits with what I know about Regina's nobles.
Hans
same as Soc UPP Codes...
Those not listed in the core ranks (Baronet, Viscount) in other editions are lower case letters.
For characters...
A Gentleman
B Knight
c Baronet
C Baron
D Marquis
e Viscount
E Count.
F Duke.
G Archduke
H Emperor
Regina should have a G, not an H.
Possibly should have added a g code for Sector Duke to the list for worlds, but that's not separate from the Subsector Duchy
Ah, I see. I had considered that but rejected it because Regina has a marquis, so it should have had a D in the list.
Hans
curmudgeon
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I am going to be perfectly honest and say that I have no idea who that is, or where he is mentioned in any Traveller material. Now, granted, it has been 20+ years since I have read some of the Traveller stuff I have, so I might have forgotten it.
The Traveller Adventure.
T5 makes the Marquis a Viscount.
Because I could not get Marc to fix the title order. I really did try.
(Don thinks it should be Viscount, Count, Marquis, Duke; Marc likes it Marquis, Viscount, Count, Duke. It's a long-standing disagreement.)
Regina should NOT have a G in 1105. Regina gets the G in 1115.
Vladika
SOC-14 1K
Historically, Don is right.
curmudgeon
SOC-12
Got to say I agree with you on this one Don. Marquis is higher rank than Count/Earl because they are the ones defending the frontiers of the kingdom or empire. Otherwise the Marquis and Count/Earl would be equals. Viscounts come just before Knighthoods and are the lowest level of peerage.
Heraldricly, as well. A Marquis ranks a count and is ranked by a duke, according to Papworth.
At least one CT printing had it correct.
Why in Charted Space would you want to do that? There isn't anything to fix in the first place. Just because the Old European nobility had it one way doesn't mean the Imperium has to have it the same way (Indeed, if the Imperium really did emulate the European nobility, it would have had to invent new ranks for nobles that ranked higher than continental-level dignitaries). I always thought it was a nice little indication that the 3rd Imperium wasn't 20th Century Earth. I remember putting a remark in an account of the silly people on Caledonia who had a peerage where their marquesses outranked their counts, would you believe it?
And if canon isn't broken, it's a big mistake to fix it. It's a great pity you did. The old system (once the viscount had been added) worked so well for assigning high nobles. Insignificant worlds got a high baron, significant worlds got a marquis, clusters of systems with no significant worlds among them got a viscount, and clusters with one or more significant worlds got a count.
Jon Zeigler even came up with an explanation for how the two ranks became inverted. It's in GT: Nobles. :devil:
Hans
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He was someone who was mentioned in a CT book about the OTU published later than The Kinunir.
Hans
thalassogen
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As far as I can remember, a Marquis (Markgraf in German) was a special kind of count (Graf) who got assigned a frontier region that often was larger but also less secure and developed than other counties. At first this rank was not that "attractive"/considered higher than count. Only later when the frontier regions (Marken in German) became developed counties and were no longer at the frontier of the realm they rose in importance due to their often larger size.
Leonard Bolden-Tukera, Marquis of Aramis, minor character in The Traveller Adventure.
I am sure they're loyal subjects of the Imperium. Like the Bwaps that in my game are just always there, in the back rooms, doing the admin in a slightly warm and humid atmosphere.
These things happen, it's the friction of playing in someone else's setting.
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