Wanted: Glisten stats for T20 era.
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Michael Taylor
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I cant confirm it but the TL sure looks OK to me. I usually reduce TL's by 1 or 2 when converting from golden age to 990 era.
Andrew Boulton
The Adminator
I'd put Terra and Vland at TL E c.990. If they're D then it's very late D.
COTI used to have both the Spinward Marches and Solomani Rim sectors for 993, as well as the Gateway Domain sectors, online. I can't find them any more.
If someone knows where they went to, could they post a link? Barring that, if someone has the sector files produced for those, I would appreciate it if they were added to the eLibrary.
Thanks in advance,
Flynn
If someone knows where they went to, could they post a link? Barring that, if someone has the sector files produced for those, I would appreciate it if they were added to the eLibrary.
Thanks in advance,
Flynn
Andrew Boulton
The Adminator
There are some here:
http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/starmaps.html
but they're Classic Era (Terra is Gov-6 TL-F).
(It also says Terra has no belts or GGs - oops!)
http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/starmaps.html
but they're Classic Era (Terra is Gov-6 TL-F).
(It also says Terra has no belts or GGs - oops!)
Do you mean these maps? They link from the old CotI page which is still up just not linked to. From what I remember they use slightly out of date info for Gateway at least, not sure about the others. As for .sec files I believe they exist but have no idea if they could be posted. It would be great if they could.
Casey
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daryen
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I can't speak for the others, but the Spinward Marches map a) has errors (Darrian has a TL of 0) and b) is late era (1117+) (Regina has a TL of C).
I sent in a modified world list for the Marches to Hunter which changed several things based on canon information I could find, but apparently Hunter decided not to use it.
Unfortunately, he hasn't used anyone else's, either.
On subject, I had simply dropped Glisten's TL down to E. Every indication is that the world has been fairly stable and advanced for quite a while. Therefore, I left is population and government alone, and kept the TL at current maximum, which is E.
I sent in a modified world list for the Marches to Hunter which changed several things based on canon information I could find, but apparently Hunter decided not to use it.
Unfortunately, he hasn't used anyone else's, either.
On subject, I had simply dropped Glisten's TL down to E. Every indication is that the world has been fairly stable and advanced for quite a while. Therefore, I left is population and government alone, and kept the TL at current maximum, which is E.
I don't have my books to check, so I may be misremembering, but I'm pretty sure the change of Regina's TL from 10 to 12 was a fairly early occurrence. IIRC it is certainly there in the listings in The Spinward Marches Campaign.
Incidentally, since I don't consider a jump of two tech levels in half a decade to be plausible, I've always interpreted it to be a correction of an error; that is, that Regina's TL was 12 in 1105 even though The Spinward Marches says otherwise.
Hans
daryen
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As I don't have the SMC, and will likely never get it until FFE gets around to the Modules Reprint, I can't check. Regina's TL of A is set, not just in Sup3, but also in the Imperial Fringe, the Traveller Book, and in Book 6. The first time I ever saw the change in Regina's TL was in the MT boxed set. Consequently, I have always looked at it as an "MT" change.
BTW, I agree that the TL change was likely an "errata" rather than an "improvement". Regardless, Regina with a TL of C is still obviously NOT from 993.
So, my point that the Spinward Marches map referenced above is from CT or MT, and has additional errors, is still correct.
BTW, I agree that the TL change was likely an "errata" rather than an "improvement". Regardless, Regina with a TL of C is still obviously NOT from 993.
So, my point that the Spinward Marches map referenced above is from CT or MT, and has additional errors, is still correct.
mike wightman
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Regina is TL C in the SMC.
Grand Master Rancke writes:
So all those CT references to TL10 Regina were errors. Oh boy. I feel a rant coming on.
I personally think Regina became TL12 because somebody(s) wanted to fudge a higher TL to conform to their IMTU. Regina navy ships at J1 just weren't deemed sexy to this somebody(s), so they made it TL12, and Traveller canon got trashed. Kinda like what happened later with the Core sector in T4's Mileau:0. Or the Dark Nebula sector from the Dark Nebula game to DGP's Rats n Cats.
It just has the feeling of 1984, rewriting game history so somebody(s) can be happy with the product.
Spinward Marches (sup3) and Kinunir (adv1) and Twilights Peak (Adv3) and Fifth Frontier War and probably others too.
So all those CT references to TL10 Regina were errors. Oh boy. I feel a rant coming on.
I personally think Regina became TL12 because somebody(s) wanted to fudge a higher TL to conform to their IMTU. Regina navy ships at J1 just weren't deemed sexy to this somebody(s), so they made it TL12, and Traveller canon got trashed. Kinda like what happened later with the Core sector in T4's Mileau:0. Or the Dark Nebula sector from the Dark Nebula game to DGP's Rats n Cats.
It just has the feeling of 1984, rewriting game history so somebody(s) can be happy with the product.
mike wightman
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A lot of the library data from Advenures 1-3 was re-written later on, but still for the CT era.
I'm not disputing that.
>>Shrug<< The alternative is to believe that Regina jumped two tech levels in 6 years.So all those CT references to TL10 Regina were errors. Oh boy. I feel a rant coming on.
Or maybe someone thought that if Regina was able to build jump-4 ships (which is what the very first module describing the TU told us), then a tech level capable of building jump-4 engines would fit better.
Hans
"Or maybe someone thought that if Regina was able to build jump-4 ships (which is what the very first module describing the TU told us), then a tech level capable of building jump-4 engines would fit better."
Ahh, my good friend Grand Master Rancke, they were able to build J4 ships, in Book 2 and using the fudge rule, in Book 5.
Why did they have to throw Book 2 away. Not sexy, apparently.
Ahh, my good friend Grand Master Rancke, they were able to build J4 ships, in Book 2 and using the fudge rule, in Book 5.
Why did they have to throw Book 2 away. Not sexy, apparently.
