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[rancke]

It's more likely that some empire(s) sent fleet elements to see what they could get away with, and those elements brock away from their repective empires and annexed a couple of corsair bands to set themselves up independantly.

To quote myself:

"The thing is, given the propensity Vargr have for seizing opportunities to set up for themselves, what Vargr ruler would be inclined to pay for a fleet and then give it to an admiral and send him to invade a place many parsecs away? It would be much easier just to pour the money into a convenient chasm."​

Hans

 

[E.D.Quibell]

To quote myself:

"The thing is, given the propensity Vargr have for seizing opportunities to set up for themselves, what Vargr ruler would be inclined to pay for a fleet and then give it to an admiral and send him to invade a place many parsecs away? It would be much easier just to pour the money into a convenient chasm."​

Hans

The chance of greater Charisma.

Best regards,

Ewan

 

[rancke]

The chance of greater Charisma.

Now where is my Groaci dictionary? Ah, here we go:

The much greater chance of loss of Charisma when Not-So-Faithful Admiral makes rude metaphorical gesture and sets up for himself. The ignomy of such an eventuation. The pity and horror of such sudden yet inevitable betrayal!


Hans

 

[BytePro]

Ah - but there's always ego...

Not unusual for rulers to have that in sufficient quantities!

 

[McPerth]

Ah - but there's always ego...

Not unusual for rulers to have that in sufficient quantities!

But also paranoia is one of the trademarks of most rulers (mostly if they rule through charisma or fear). Along history, many a loyal general or aldmiral has been saked just because he became too successful (and so popular). Remeber also Bel Riose's fate.

And that's about humans of solomani descend, not as charisma oriented as vargr...

 

[BytePro]

Sure it is. But without ego, their paranoia would have them sitting in an underground box and never ruling anything but their own stench.

Dictators can fall from their ego overriding their ruthless practicality.

 

[Andrew M]

The thing is, given the propensity Vargr have for seizing opportunities to set up for themselves, what Vargr ruler would be inclined to pay for a fleet and then give it to an admiral and send him to invade a place many parsecs away? It would be much easier just to pour the money into a convenient chasm.

To get rid of a potential rival?

 

[E.D.Quibell]

To get rid of a potential rival?

What send them out with a bunch of 2nd line older naval ships and hope they will create a buffer state between the the state and the Imperium, tieing up a bunch of corsairs who are causing a neusence, while getting rid of an unreliable admiral without having to sack them?

Sounds good to me.

Best regards,

Ewan

 

[E.D.Quibell]

Now where is my Groaci dictionary? Ah, here we go:

The much greater chance of loss of Charisma when Not-So-Faithful Admiral makes rude metaphorical gesture and sets up for himself. The ignomy of such an eventuation. The pity and horror of such sudden yet inevitable betrayal!


Hans

But then no one would ever rule an interstellar state in the first place. There has to be some to and frow.

Best regards,

Ewan

 

[E.D.Quibell]

Sure it is. But without ego, their paranoia would have them sitting in an underground box and never ruling anything but their own stench.

Dictators can fall from their ego overriding their ruthless practicality.

Or not ruling anything. No point being a social alpha male/female is you are not out there leading your pack.

Best regards,

Ewan

 

[rancke]

But then no one would ever rule an interstellar state in the first place. There has to be some to and fro.

There are countervailing influences, but they depend on propinquity. It's a matter of the distance. Vargr are kept together by pack loyalty and thrust apart by personal ambitions. The closer the subordinates are, the better the leader's Charisma can keep them in check. And the closer are the other fleet units that he can send to dicipline unruly subordinates.

And then there's the question of just what the leader gets out of sending a fleet off into the wild blue yonder. If he want's military glory, his neighbors are a much better bet than some strongly defended place many parsecs away[*]. Any other gain seems extremely nebulous.

[*] Yes, even with the entire regular fleet sent away, the Imperial defenses are formidable -- especially once they high-population worlds have invested some of the funds freed up by not having to maintain the regular fleet any more to reactivate mothballed ships and build more.​

Hans

 

[E.D.Quibell]

There are countervailing influences, but they depend on propinquity. It's a matter of the distance. Vargr are kept together by pack loyalty and thrust apart by personal ambitions. The closer the subordinates are, the better the leader's Charisma can keep them in check. And the closer are the other fleet units that he can send to dicipline unruly subordinates.

And then there's the question of just what the leader gets out of sending a fleet off into the wild blue yonder. If he want's military glory, his neighbors are a much better bet than some strongly defended place many parsecs away[*]. Any other gain seems extremely nebulous.

[*] Yes, even with the entire regular fleet sent away, the Imperial defenses are formidable -- especially once they high-population worlds have invested some of the funds freed up by not having to maintain the regular fleet any more to reactivate mothballed ships and build more.​

Hans

I understand and agree. However we know that it happened and we know that it shouldn't have. Finding some type of plausable explination is all we have left.

The Vargr fleet elements could have brocken off from the Empire and then headed for the Imperium. Not being sent, but leaving to find there own path.

Best regards,

Ewan

 

[rancke]

I understand and agree. However we know that it happened and we know that it shouldn't have. Finding some type of plausable explination is all we have left.

That's all right by me, but one explanation I do not want to embrace is that corsair bands in 1107 are each the size of Imperial fleets. Such an explanation would, IMO, ruin more of the background than it would fix. Fleet sized formations are expensive. IMO, you need a national government to pay for them.


Hans