The Rebellion and World War One?

[alanb]

Just a thought about "what's wrong with Dulinor"...

His entire plan is top-down. It seems as though Dulinor and some of his fellow zealots have come up with a Master Plan, which they have proceeded to attempt to impose upon reality regardless of the cost.

They don't seem to have actually asked the people it is supposed to benefit what they think about it all...

Just a thought.

 

[daryen]

My biggest problem with Dulinor is that his plan was crap. The right of assassination only works if you keep Capital. If you don't have the fleets needed to hold Capital, you shouldn't be killing the Emperor.

So, as smart as Dulinor might have been, as reasonable as his justifications may have been, his plan was flat out stupid, and doomed to catastrophe.

He should have taken his Coronation Fleet to Capital in 1116, not in 1130.

 

[daryen]

My biggest problem with Dulinor is that his plan was crap. The right of assassination only works if you keep Capital. If you don't have the fleets needed to hold Capital, you shouldn't be killing the Emperor.

So, as smart as Dulinor might have been, as reasonable as his justifications may have been, his plan was flat out stupid, and doomed to catastrophe.

He should have taken his Coronation Fleet to Capital in 1116, not in 1130.

 

[daryen]

My biggest problem with Dulinor is that his plan was crap. The right of assassination only works if you keep Capital. If you don't have the fleets needed to hold Capital, you shouldn't be killing the Emperor.

So, as smart as Dulinor might have been, as reasonable as his justifications may have been, his plan was flat out stupid, and doomed to catastrophe.

He should have taken his Coronation Fleet to Capital in 1116, not in 1130.

 

[Maynard]

Death to all Nobles; they've never been anything but spoiled maniacs who destory billions in their personal feuds, and have never been anything but protection racketeers. Good riddance to the scum.

Just as the Hohenzollerns fled Germany with a bunch of loot, after destroying the economy and killing millions, and leaving thier 'people' to the mercies of the 'FreiKorps', so did Strephon and the rest of the 'Dukes', after there was nothing left to steal. Who in their right minds would consider 'restoring' any of these psychopaths and their 'Imperium' ?????

 

[Maynard]

Death to all Nobles; they've never been anything but spoiled maniacs who destory billions in their personal feuds, and have never been anything but protection racketeers. Good riddance to the scum.

Just as the Hohenzollerns fled Germany with a bunch of loot, after destroying the economy and killing millions, and leaving thier 'people' to the mercies of the 'FreiKorps', so did Strephon and the rest of the 'Dukes', after there was nothing left to steal. Who in their right minds would consider 'restoring' any of these psychopaths and their 'Imperium' ?????

 

[Maynard]

Death to all Nobles; they've never been anything but spoiled maniacs who destory billions in their personal feuds, and have never been anything but protection racketeers. Good riddance to the scum.

Just as the Hohenzollerns fled Germany with a bunch of loot, after destroying the economy and killing millions, and leaving thier 'people' to the mercies of the 'FreiKorps', so did Strephon and the rest of the 'Dukes', after there was nothing left to steal. Who in their right minds would consider 'restoring' any of these psychopaths and their 'Imperium' ?????

 

[The Hinterworlds Rambler]

Death to Dulinor and all traitorous enemies of the Imperium! (Or at least Incarceration at Hard Labor.) SSSSSSS! boo!

So you prefer to have the very fate and flower of humanity's destiny controlled by what then? Sector Warlords? How about regional or even star system governors making laws as they see fit or mismanaging trade to the point of starvation? Perhaps we could go back to no jump drives, commerce, stability, or other such "psychopathic" notions.

Most nobles have to work for a living, like all loyal Citizens should. Many may not like that because they feel like perhaps THEY could make better "nobles", if one could call it that.

While it may be in vogue or perhaps "cool" to talk anarchy, few find it palatable once it comes, what. This only really hits home when you need the Imperial Navy (or the infrastructure that supports it) because some renegade traitor's ambition has outgrown his brain...

You cite many examples that I agree with, personally, but I must ask: are the "commoners" any better? Are they as a genralized group totally free of corruption?

Please pardon an old "psychopath's" ravings, what?

 

[The Hinterworlds Rambler]

Death to Dulinor and all traitorous enemies of the Imperium! (Or at least Incarceration at Hard Labor.) SSSSSSS! boo!

So you prefer to have the very fate and flower of humanity's destiny controlled by what then? Sector Warlords? How about regional or even star system governors making laws as they see fit or mismanaging trade to the point of starvation? Perhaps we could go back to no jump drives, commerce, stability, or other such "psychopathic" notions.

Most nobles have to work for a living, like all loyal Citizens should. Many may not like that because they feel like perhaps THEY could make better "nobles", if one could call it that.

While it may be in vogue or perhaps "cool" to talk anarchy, few find it palatable once it comes, what. This only really hits home when you need the Imperial Navy (or the infrastructure that supports it) because some renegade traitor's ambition has outgrown his brain...

You cite many examples that I agree with, personally, but I must ask: are the "commoners" any better? Are they as a genralized group totally free of corruption?

Please pardon an old "psychopath's" ravings, what?

 

[The Hinterworlds Rambler]

Death to Dulinor and all traitorous enemies of the Imperium! (Or at least Incarceration at Hard Labor.) SSSSSSS! boo!

So you prefer to have the very fate and flower of humanity's destiny controlled by what then? Sector Warlords? How about regional or even star system governors making laws as they see fit or mismanaging trade to the point of starvation? Perhaps we could go back to no jump drives, commerce, stability, or other such "psychopathic" notions.

Most nobles have to work for a living, like all loyal Citizens should. Many may not like that because they feel like perhaps THEY could make better "nobles", if one could call it that.

While it may be in vogue or perhaps "cool" to talk anarchy, few find it palatable once it comes, what. This only really hits home when you need the Imperial Navy (or the infrastructure that supports it) because some renegade traitor's ambition has outgrown his brain...

You cite many examples that I agree with, personally, but I must ask: are the "commoners" any better? Are they as a genralized group totally free of corruption?

Please pardon an old "psychopath's" ravings, what?

 

[mike wightman]

Originally posted by Maynard:
Death to all Nobles; they've never been anything but spoiled maniacs who destory billions in their personal feuds, and have never been anything but protection racketeers. Good riddance to the scum.
,snip>
Who in their right minds would consider 'restoring' any of these psychopaths and their 'Imperium' ?????

Hear, hear.
One of the great things about the TNE setting was the promise of a more enlightened and less self-serving form of government

 

[mike wightman]

Originally posted by Maynard:
Death to all Nobles; they've never been anything but spoiled maniacs who destory billions in their personal feuds, and have never been anything but protection racketeers. Good riddance to the scum.
,snip>
Who in their right minds would consider 'restoring' any of these psychopaths and their 'Imperium' ?????

Hear, hear.
One of the great things about the TNE setting was the promise of a more enlightened and less self-serving form of government

 

[mike wightman]

Originally posted by Maynard:
Death to all Nobles; they've never been anything but spoiled maniacs who destory billions in their personal feuds, and have never been anything but protection racketeers. Good riddance to the scum.
,snip>
Who in their right minds would consider 'restoring' any of these psychopaths and their 'Imperium' ?????

Hear, hear.
One of the great things about the TNE setting was the promise of a more enlightened and less self-serving form of government

 

[alanb]

Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
Hear, hear.
One of the great things about the TNE setting was the promise of a more enlightened and less self-serving form of government

The key world being _promise_.

Shame it was never delivered.

 

[alanb]

Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
Hear, hear.
One of the great things about the TNE setting was the promise of a more enlightened and less self-serving form of government

The key world being _promise_.

Shame it was never delivered.

 

[alanb]

Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
Hear, hear.
One of the great things about the TNE setting was the promise of a more enlightened and less self-serving form of government

The key world being _promise_.

Shame it was never delivered.

 

[kaladorn]

As someone who lives in a type 4 government (on paper) that probably more resembles a type 8 or 9 in practice, or maybe sometimes a charismatic dictatorship, I have to wonder if there is ever anything more than that promise....

Corruptions seems a rampant issue in most G20 governments. And let us not even talk about things going on in the subcontinent or Africa...

If we in a democracy get exactly the kind of government we deserve, then we're a pretty wretched lot....

 

[kaladorn]

As someone who lives in a type 4 government (on paper) that probably more resembles a type 8 or 9 in practice, or maybe sometimes a charismatic dictatorship, I have to wonder if there is ever anything more than that promise....

Corruptions seems a rampant issue in most G20 governments. And let us not even talk about things going on in the subcontinent or Africa...

If we in a democracy get exactly the kind of government we deserve, then we're a pretty wretched lot....

 

[kaladorn]

As someone who lives in a type 4 government (on paper) that probably more resembles a type 8 or 9 in practice, or maybe sometimes a charismatic dictatorship, I have to wonder if there is ever anything more than that promise....

Corruptions seems a rampant issue in most G20 governments. And let us not even talk about things going on in the subcontinent or Africa...

If we in a democracy get exactly the kind of government we deserve, then we're a pretty wretched lot....

 

[mike wightman]

Originally posted by daryen:
My biggest problem with Dulinor is that his plan was crap. The right of assassination only works if you keep Capital. If you don't have the fleets needed to hold Capital, you shouldn't be killing the Emperor.

So, as smart as Dulinor might have been, as reasonable as his justifications may have been, his plan was flat out stupid, and doomed to catastrophe.

He should have taken his Coronation Fleet to Capital in 1116, not in 1130.

I sometimes wonder if Dulinor set his plan in motion too quickly.

Perhaps he saw an opportunity in the throne room that day and brought all his plans forward - instead of waiting the extra few years to build up his fleet strength.

I wonder if he could get black globe equipped warships?