The Rebellion and World War One?

[kaladorn]

Well, Tranian's a later day construct (ie I don't know as if he is actually referred to other than GT or later T4+ dates... I don't recall seeing him mentioned in MT). That doesn't discount him, but I was thinking initially of working mostly within the list of available candidates inside MT itself.

Margaret might be an arguably more legitemate heir. Or maybe Lucan sired a child before being whacked. And maybe whoever steps into his place takes over as 'Regent', still maintaining Lucan's legitimacy as Emperor, hence the heir's eventual legitemate succession. This could introduce a period of calm while the Regent grows up....

I'm not sure if I dislike or like Margaret. I dislike some things attributed to her, but they may be hostile spin rather than fact.

Of course, my favourite noble is Craig, from what I know. He seems closest to my idea of what a noble is supposed to be, perhaps Norris or Brzrk in second and third (either or).

A different Rebellion might never see the development and release of the Virus. So no problem to clean up....

I actually felt bad when Brzrk got killed off... I thought that was cheap....

 

[kaladorn]

Well, Tranian's a later day construct (ie I don't know as if he is actually referred to other than GT or later T4+ dates... I don't recall seeing him mentioned in MT). That doesn't discount him, but I was thinking initially of working mostly within the list of available candidates inside MT itself.

Margaret might be an arguably more legitemate heir. Or maybe Lucan sired a child before being whacked. And maybe whoever steps into his place takes over as 'Regent', still maintaining Lucan's legitimacy as Emperor, hence the heir's eventual legitemate succession. This could introduce a period of calm while the Regent grows up....

I'm not sure if I dislike or like Margaret. I dislike some things attributed to her, but they may be hostile spin rather than fact.

Of course, my favourite noble is Craig, from what I know. He seems closest to my idea of what a noble is supposed to be, perhaps Norris or Brzrk in second and third (either or).

A different Rebellion might never see the development and release of the Virus. So no problem to clean up....

I actually felt bad when Brzrk got killed off... I thought that was cheap....

 

[Border Reiver]

Archduke Tranian is referred to by name in the Rebellion Sourcebook page 45 as an ally of Lucan along with Adair of Sol, he was the one noble who couldn't back down from supporting Lucan as he had proclaimed him Emperor.

I like to think that Strephon would have held out long enough to start to receive the fragmented backing of Norris, Craig & perhaps even Margaret or the successor to Brzrk.

 

[Border Reiver]

Archduke Tranian is referred to by name in the Rebellion Sourcebook page 45 as an ally of Lucan along with Adair of Sol, he was the one noble who couldn't back down from supporting Lucan as he had proclaimed him Emperor.

I like to think that Strephon would have held out long enough to start to receive the fragmented backing of Norris, Craig & perhaps even Margaret or the successor to Brzrk.

 

[Border Reiver]

Archduke Tranian is referred to by name in the Rebellion Sourcebook page 45 as an ally of Lucan along with Adair of Sol, he was the one noble who couldn't back down from supporting Lucan as he had proclaimed him Emperor.

I like to think that Strephon would have held out long enough to start to receive the fragmented backing of Norris, Craig & perhaps even Margaret or the successor to Brzrk.

 

[kaladorn]

Ah, okay. He might have been, at that. He got some sort of sidebar mention, didn't he...? Hmmm.

Okay, anyway, he got more discussion in GT if I recollect correctly.

You know, I always thought the original Strephon was a fake (which he was, then later was not). Of course, Longbow II was a long way in coming to light...

I'm just not sure how Strephon could take over again after he made such a bollix of the whole business. His judgement was pretty poor - he was gone, he had allowed regionalism to flourish in the IG, he had trusted Dulinor but not listened to him (very much), and his screw up had cost the Empire an awful lot of dead people. How do you get back up on the horse after that? I'm not sure you can and I'm not sure I'd trust someone that had that kind of record ever again (as a peon in his realm).

I think once he'd dropped the ball so badly, new blood of some kind was required....

 

[kaladorn]

Ah, okay. He might have been, at that. He got some sort of sidebar mention, didn't he...? Hmmm.

Okay, anyway, he got more discussion in GT if I recollect correctly.

You know, I always thought the original Strephon was a fake (which he was, then later was not). Of course, Longbow II was a long way in coming to light...

I'm just not sure how Strephon could take over again after he made such a bollix of the whole business. His judgement was pretty poor - he was gone, he had allowed regionalism to flourish in the IG, he had trusted Dulinor but not listened to him (very much), and his screw up had cost the Empire an awful lot of dead people. How do you get back up on the horse after that? I'm not sure you can and I'm not sure I'd trust someone that had that kind of record ever again (as a peon in his realm).

I think once he'd dropped the ball so badly, new blood of some kind was required....

 

[kaladorn]

Ah, okay. He might have been, at that. He got some sort of sidebar mention, didn't he...? Hmmm.

Okay, anyway, he got more discussion in GT if I recollect correctly.

You know, I always thought the original Strephon was a fake (which he was, then later was not). Of course, Longbow II was a long way in coming to light...

I'm just not sure how Strephon could take over again after he made such a bollix of the whole business. His judgement was pretty poor - he was gone, he had allowed regionalism to flourish in the IG, he had trusted Dulinor but not listened to him (very much), and his screw up had cost the Empire an awful lot of dead people. How do you get back up on the horse after that? I'm not sure you can and I'm not sure I'd trust someone that had that kind of record ever again (as a peon in his realm).

I think once he'd dropped the ball so badly, new blood of some kind was required....

 

[alanb]

Originally posted by kaladorn:
Ah, okay. He might have been, at that. He got some sort of sidebar mention, didn't he...? Hmmm.

He had a reasonable mention in Rebellion Sourcebook, in the section on Lucan's faction. Essentially, he was the only Archduke (besides Adair of Sol, who wasn't in any position to support anyone!) to support Lucan. He was an example of the honourable noble doing what he felt was right, even if Lucan was a total jerk.

While he wouldn't break with Lucan unless Lucan broke with him first, he would be in a good position to inherit control of the better bits of Lucan's faction once Lucan stops a bullet.

Of course, potentially he might then declare for Margaret! She is, after all, the next in the Alkhalikoi line of succession. But that would be a rather suicidally formalistic measure, that he might not be willing to take.

Either way, he's one of the rare examples of named second tier leaders we have, so he needs to be considered when we ponder possible outcomes of the Rebellion.

As for Strephon: forget it. Real or fake, he ain't comin' back.

 

[alanb]

Originally posted by kaladorn:
Ah, okay. He might have been, at that. He got some sort of sidebar mention, didn't he...? Hmmm.

He had a reasonable mention in Rebellion Sourcebook, in the section on Lucan's faction. Essentially, he was the only Archduke (besides Adair of Sol, who wasn't in any position to support anyone!) to support Lucan. He was an example of the honourable noble doing what he felt was right, even if Lucan was a total jerk.

While he wouldn't break with Lucan unless Lucan broke with him first, he would be in a good position to inherit control of the better bits of Lucan's faction once Lucan stops a bullet.

Of course, potentially he might then declare for Margaret! She is, after all, the next in the Alkhalikoi line of succession. But that would be a rather suicidally formalistic measure, that he might not be willing to take.

Either way, he's one of the rare examples of named second tier leaders we have, so he needs to be considered when we ponder possible outcomes of the Rebellion.

As for Strephon: forget it. Real or fake, he ain't comin' back.

 

[alanb]

Originally posted by kaladorn:
Ah, okay. He might have been, at that. He got some sort of sidebar mention, didn't he...? Hmmm.

He had a reasonable mention in Rebellion Sourcebook, in the section on Lucan's faction. Essentially, he was the only Archduke (besides Adair of Sol, who wasn't in any position to support anyone!) to support Lucan. He was an example of the honourable noble doing what he felt was right, even if Lucan was a total jerk.

While he wouldn't break with Lucan unless Lucan broke with him first, he would be in a good position to inherit control of the better bits of Lucan's faction once Lucan stops a bullet.

Of course, potentially he might then declare for Margaret! She is, after all, the next in the Alkhalikoi line of succession. But that would be a rather suicidally formalistic measure, that he might not be willing to take.

Either way, he's one of the rare examples of named second tier leaders we have, so he needs to be considered when we ponder possible outcomes of the Rebellion.

As for Strephon: forget it. Real or fake, he ain't comin' back.

 

[Border Reiver]

Quick, mobilize the fleets. These people are all traitors.

Margaret backs slavery and the self interest of her husband's corporate interests.

Bzrk has take a big chunk of the Imperium and handed over to doggy hating pirates.

Craig is a lizard.

The Vilani are living in the past, the very very distant past.

Lucan is a murderer and a spoilt brat, don't know which is worse.

Norris is a power mad liar who has consistently usurped the legitimate power. would be suprised if he arranged his elder sibling's fatal accident whilst he was still serving in the INI.

Solomani can't even agree a consistent policy for themselves let alone the Imperium.

Adair feigns support but is busy carving out his own petty polity.

Tranian is a weak willed moron that allowed the dissolution of the moot and advanced the war by his inaction.

Dulinor. Capable but he did try to murder his supposed friend.

Strephon forever.

 

[Border Reiver]

Quick, mobilize the fleets. These people are all traitors.

Margaret backs slavery and the self interest of her husband's corporate interests.

Bzrk has take a big chunk of the Imperium and handed over to doggy hating pirates.

Craig is a lizard.

The Vilani are living in the past, the very very distant past.

Lucan is a murderer and a spoilt brat, don't know which is worse.

Norris is a power mad liar who has consistently usurped the legitimate power. would be suprised if he arranged his elder sibling's fatal accident whilst he was still serving in the INI.

Solomani can't even agree a consistent policy for themselves let alone the Imperium.

Adair feigns support but is busy carving out his own petty polity.

Tranian is a weak willed moron that allowed the dissolution of the moot and advanced the war by his inaction.

Dulinor. Capable but he did try to murder his supposed friend.

Strephon forever.

 

[Border Reiver]

Quick, mobilize the fleets. These people are all traitors.

Margaret backs slavery and the self interest of her husband's corporate interests.

Bzrk has take a big chunk of the Imperium and handed over to doggy hating pirates.

Craig is a lizard.

The Vilani are living in the past, the very very distant past.

Lucan is a murderer and a spoilt brat, don't know which is worse.

Norris is a power mad liar who has consistently usurped the legitimate power. would be suprised if he arranged his elder sibling's fatal accident whilst he was still serving in the INI.

Solomani can't even agree a consistent policy for themselves let alone the Imperium.

Adair feigns support but is busy carving out his own petty polity.

Tranian is a weak willed moron that allowed the dissolution of the moot and advanced the war by his inaction.

Dulinor. Capable but he did try to murder his supposed friend.

Strephon forever.

 

[aramis]

From Tranian's position, Allowing Dulinor, Craig, and Brzrk to rejoin the imperium would be likely... Tranian is likely to be made Regent Imperialis, rather than Emperor. Get all the work, without the bullseye being so big.

Margaret would be allowed back, but like Dulinor, would have to renounce claim to the throne while a suitable heir was found for a Tranian regency. (Shades of Arbellatra....)

Tranian is more likely, IMO, to pursue a violent course against the vilani, or to impose sanctions upon a non-violent return. Perhaps as far as deleting the domain, and attaching the 4 sectors to neighboring domains... and thus breaking up regional factions (at the expense of efficiency)

Tranian has several advantages:
1) he never sided against the heir.
2) he's there
3) he's not happy with how Lucan ran things, but still, the emperor was the emperor. He remained loyal despite the problems.

Now, i can see Tranian offering the following:
"Dulinor, you vacate your lands and titles, in exchange for which you receive the regent's pardon. Then you personally pack up, move to capital, and help me implement those reforms you sought. But before all of this, you publicly command your domain to do homage unto the 3I, and me as Regent. Deliver me your domain, and You may implement your reforms, just not as Emperor."

Likewise, the capital moot would probably NOT confirm Dulinor; especially if Lucan's dead, and Dulinor isn't there yet.

Margaret essentially forfeit her claim when she failed to make it at the time; 10 years of hostility, and the capital moot is unlikely to let her even vote, let alone claim the throne.

 

[aramis]

From Tranian's position, Allowing Dulinor, Craig, and Brzrk to rejoin the imperium would be likely... Tranian is likely to be made Regent Imperialis, rather than Emperor. Get all the work, without the bullseye being so big.

Margaret would be allowed back, but like Dulinor, would have to renounce claim to the throne while a suitable heir was found for a Tranian regency. (Shades of Arbellatra....)

Tranian is more likely, IMO, to pursue a violent course against the vilani, or to impose sanctions upon a non-violent return. Perhaps as far as deleting the domain, and attaching the 4 sectors to neighboring domains... and thus breaking up regional factions (at the expense of efficiency)

Tranian has several advantages:
1) he never sided against the heir.
2) he's there
3) he's not happy with how Lucan ran things, but still, the emperor was the emperor. He remained loyal despite the problems.

Now, i can see Tranian offering the following:
"Dulinor, you vacate your lands and titles, in exchange for which you receive the regent's pardon. Then you personally pack up, move to capital, and help me implement those reforms you sought. But before all of this, you publicly command your domain to do homage unto the 3I, and me as Regent. Deliver me your domain, and You may implement your reforms, just not as Emperor."

Likewise, the capital moot would probably NOT confirm Dulinor; especially if Lucan's dead, and Dulinor isn't there yet.

Margaret essentially forfeit her claim when she failed to make it at the time; 10 years of hostility, and the capital moot is unlikely to let her even vote, let alone claim the throne.

 

[aramis]

From Tranian's position, Allowing Dulinor, Craig, and Brzrk to rejoin the imperium would be likely... Tranian is likely to be made Regent Imperialis, rather than Emperor. Get all the work, without the bullseye being so big.

Margaret would be allowed back, but like Dulinor, would have to renounce claim to the throne while a suitable heir was found for a Tranian regency. (Shades of Arbellatra....)

Tranian is more likely, IMO, to pursue a violent course against the vilani, or to impose sanctions upon a non-violent return. Perhaps as far as deleting the domain, and attaching the 4 sectors to neighboring domains... and thus breaking up regional factions (at the expense of efficiency)

Tranian has several advantages:
1) he never sided against the heir.
2) he's there
3) he's not happy with how Lucan ran things, but still, the emperor was the emperor. He remained loyal despite the problems.

Now, i can see Tranian offering the following:
"Dulinor, you vacate your lands and titles, in exchange for which you receive the regent's pardon. Then you personally pack up, move to capital, and help me implement those reforms you sought. But before all of this, you publicly command your domain to do homage unto the 3I, and me as Regent. Deliver me your domain, and You may implement your reforms, just not as Emperor."

Likewise, the capital moot would probably NOT confirm Dulinor; especially if Lucan's dead, and Dulinor isn't there yet.

Margaret essentially forfeit her claim when she failed to make it at the time; 10 years of hostility, and the capital moot is unlikely to let her even vote, let alone claim the throne.

 

[Reg Redblade]

This thread has reminded me of an MT issue that was never really clear to me.

Specifically : IS CRAIG ACTUALLY A LIZARD ?

It seems to indicate this in MT/RS with the picture but I don' think it actually refers to him as a non human (but I never saw any of the MT Challenge articles so maybe there was something in there ?)

If Craig is a non human - what race does he belong to and how did he make it to Archduke ? Or is this one of those wonderful MT openers that was never developed any further ?

Was there much work done in Challenge on Daibei ? Now you know why I am so looking forward to the CD-ROM .

RR

 

[Reg Redblade]

This thread has reminded me of an MT issue that was never really clear to me.

Specifically : IS CRAIG ACTUALLY A LIZARD ?

It seems to indicate this in MT/RS with the picture but I don' think it actually refers to him as a non human (but I never saw any of the MT Challenge articles so maybe there was something in there ?)

If Craig is a non human - what race does he belong to and how did he make it to Archduke ? Or is this one of those wonderful MT openers that was never developed any further ?

Was there much work done in Challenge on Daibei ? Now you know why I am so looking forward to the CD-ROM .

RR

 

[Reg Redblade]

This thread has reminded me of an MT issue that was never really clear to me.

Specifically : IS CRAIG ACTUALLY A LIZARD ?

It seems to indicate this in MT/RS with the picture but I don' think it actually refers to him as a non human (but I never saw any of the MT Challenge articles so maybe there was something in there ?)

If Craig is a non human - what race does he belong to and how did he make it to Archduke ? Or is this one of those wonderful MT openers that was never developed any further ?

Was there much work done in Challenge on Daibei ? Now you know why I am so looking forward to the CD-ROM .

RR