OTU Only: T5SS Semi-Official Thread
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This is an example, I've not done the research to see if there are others like this.
Aashma (Dagudashaag 2602) has it stellar data listed as : M1 V G1 V
This make no sense. The star generation system doesn't allow this result. And from a realism point, having a "companion" which is more massive than the primary, they will simply switch places.
In the original UWP listing, the stellar data is: M1 V G1 D
So it's apparent all the "D" types got changed to "V" types, without verifying if the result still made sense/fit the rules.
Aashma (Dagudashaag 2602) has it stellar data listed as : M1 V G1 V
This make no sense. The star generation system doesn't allow this result. And from a realism point, having a "companion" which is more massive than the primary, they will simply switch places.
In the original UWP listing, the stellar data is: M1 V G1 D
So it's apparent all the "D" types got changed to "V" types, without verifying if the result still made sense/fit the rules.
Leenitakot (1432 Hinterworlds)
Leenitakot (1432 Hinterworlds), according to both CT:LD (N-Z) and MgT: Book 9 LD, is an incomplete Ringworld from the Ancients-era. This should probably be noted somehow in the T5SS.
(And is the data currently provided for Leenitakot for another world in the same system, or is it an oversight?)
Leenitakot (1432 Hinterworlds), according to both CT:LD (N-Z) and MgT: Book 9 LD, is an incomplete Ringworld from the Ancients-era. This should probably be noted somehow in the T5SS.
(And is the data currently provided for Leenitakot for another world in the same system, or is it an oversight?)
I swear I saw (...) being used as notation for something other than minor race homeworld in the T5SS data, but apparently I was imagining things - I was going to suggest (Ringworld) It's used in non-T5SS data for notes in some legacy files, though. We could invent a delimited notation for such exceptional things - {blah} is not yet claimed.
On the other hand, size codes > A aren't in use in the T5SS data. I'd nominate X=Culture-style Orbital (no examples in OTU?), Y = Ringworld, Z = Dyson Sphere (e.g. Sphere/Nooq 3201)
On the other hand, size codes > A aren't in use in the T5SS data. I'd nominate X=Culture-style Orbital (no examples in OTU?), Y = Ringworld, Z = Dyson Sphere (e.g. Sphere/Nooq 3201)
The Y & Z codes should work fine, but in the T5 Core Rules (p.437), X is one of the size codes reserved for the largest size Gas Giant, and 0 - F are used for rocky-worlds (B-F are "super-earths").
OTOH, size codes G, H, J, K, Y, Z are apparently unused (L - X are all Gas Giants/Ice Giants).
If necessary, perhaps just a simple letter/symbol-code reserved for "special" in the world size column would alert the user that there is something unusual in the system that needs to be looked up elsewhere. (Are Greek Letters useable?) But I like the idea of Y & Z for Ringworlds & Sphereworlds.
@inexorabletash: BTW, I posted a visitor message to you on your profile. Probably a code for world-rosettes should be decided on as well (since eventually it will become an issue for the Tireen system, when the T5SS data project gets that far).
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See that this changes coreward Diaspora HT political balance and situation quite a lot. Perhaps not important fot T5, but I'm mostly a MT man...
Per http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showpost.php?p=468717&postcount=305 it looks like including the Stars count is inconsistent in the T5 Core Rules.
So many ways to count the Terra system. Classic Traveller probably counts: Mercury, Venus, Terra, Mars, Main Belt, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto = 10
Nowadays, you could replace Pluto with Kuiper (ice) Belt and keep the count at 10. Add Sol to bump it to 11. Or drop Sol and drop the ice belt and the count goes to 9. Or count Sol and the ice belt and add the known dwarfs (Ceres, Pluto, Haumea, Makemake, Eris) and get 15. But it'll probably be up to at least 20 by the time T6 rolls around.
Personally, I'd go with: Mercury, Venus, Terra, Mars, Main Belt, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Kuiper Belt = 10... which is what I thought the 10 in the T5SS data was referring to, before this thread.
The T5 W value should not have stars. That's already in the errata... Crap, it's blue. Ok, it's not in the released errata yet.
More confusing is that worldlets are not counted in T5, but it's not explicitly stated anywhere that worldlets are smaller than size 1 (ie, the old size "S").
But that's T5 errata, not T5SS. I'd desperately like to keep those piles separate if possible.
It might not be.
More confusing is that worldlets are not counted in T5, but it's not explicitly stated anywhere that worldlets are smaller than size 1 (ie, the old size "S").
But that's T5 errata, not T5SS. I'd desperately like to keep those piles separate if possible.
It might not be.
Yes, and that's just the edge of MT changes. But we're focusing on the 1105 dataset first, and as much as MT really is my "main edition", I'm really NOT ready to move over to the 1125 pile yet.
The datasets we had envisioned were:
-2366 (post-3IW)
20 (M-Zero)
993 (T20)
1065 (Second Survey, pre-4FW)
1105 (golden core)
1116 (Rebellion/Lorenverse start)
1125 (Rebellion/Hard Times, pre-oops)
1202 (TNE-1)
1248 (TNE-2)
At least those are the datasets that have had elements published. I hope I'm not missing any in that list...
Anyway, given all that data, we had to start somewhere, and we took the golden core because it is the biggest pile.
If you count just the dwarf planets and planets, ignoring dwarf-planet sized moons, the sol system hits 13 officially recognized ones.
Pluto (Charon would be if it didn't orbit pluto)
Ceres
Haumea
Makemake
Eris
But Caltech has a list...
| Name | Semimajor AU | Diameter |
| Mercury | 0.39 | 4880 |
| Venus | 0.72 | 12,100 |
| Earth | 1.0 | 12,700 |
| Mars | 1.5 | 6780 |
| Ceres | 2.8 | 950 |
| Jupiter | 5.2 | 139,800 |
| Saturn | 9.6 | 116,500 |
| Uranus | 19.2 | 50,700 |
| Neptune | 30.0 | 49,200 |
| 2004TY364 | 38.72 | 540 |
| 2002KX14 | 39.01 | 560 |
| 2002XV93 | 39.22 | 430 |
| 2003VS2 | 39.27 | 610 |
| 1999TC36 | 39.27 | 440 |
| 2001QF298 | 39.30 | 490 |
| Orcus | 39.34 | 1100 |
| 2003AZ84 | 39.45 | 710 |
| Pluto | 39.53 | 2300 |
| Ixion | 39.65 | 980 |
| Huya | 39.76 | 480 |
| 2005RN43 | 41.53 | 740 |
| 1995SM55 | 41.64 | 470 |
| 2002MS4 | 41.90 | 740 |
| 2004SB60 | 41.97 | 560 |
| 2004GV9 | 42.23 | 680 |
| 2002UX25 | 42.53 | 810 |
| Varuna | 42.90 | 780 |
| 2002TX300 | 43.11 | 800 |
| 1996TO66 | 43.19 | 540 |
| 2003OP32 | 43.24 | 650 |
| 2003EL61 | 43.31 | 2000 |
| Quaoar | 43.58 | 1290 |
| 2003QW90 | 43.65 | 560 |
| 1999CD158 | 43.69 | 410 |
| 1997CS29 | 43.87 | 410 |
| 2000CN105 | 44.65 | 430 |
| 1998WH24 | 45.56 | 450 |
| 2005FY9 | 45.66 | 1600 |
| 2004PR107 | 45.75 | 520 |
| 2003MW12 | 45.94 | 740 |
| 2002CY248 | 46.18 | 410 |
| 2002KW14 | 47.08 | 510 |
| 2002AW197 | 47.30 | 940 |
| 2002WC19 | 47.67 | 410 |
| 2003QX113 | 49.56 | 450 |
| 2003FY128 | 49.77 | 430 |
| 2001UR163 | 51.40 | 620 |
| 2002TC302 | 55.02 | 710 |
| 1999DE9 | 55.72 | 490 |
| 2004XR190 | 57.36 | 540 |
| 2000YW134 | 57.77 | 430 |
| Eris | 67.69 | 2400 |
| 2005RM43 | 89.73 | 560 |
| Sedna | 486.0 | 1800 |
Note that Traveller's traditional 500 miles (800km) is a good one for rocky bodies; ice bodies over 400km... as those are the self-rounding thresholds.
The UWP for Shionthy on the Traveller wiki (which I understand is the same as the T5 survey) has a second data group of '704' (Pop multiplier 7, non-mainworld planetoid belts, gas giants). It should be '714' (for a total of two planetoid belts, the mainworld Shionthy Belt and a secondary belt).
I have a personal interest in this one, since I've used that second belt to explain how a population of 70 million can survive in a belt where the risk of encountering contra-terrene matter is 3% per hour: The contra-terrene matter (and the Kinunir) is mostly in a different belt (which I've dubbed the Ragnarok Belt) and the people in the Shionthy Belt don't encounter CTM every other day.
In other words, if the extra belt hadn't already been canon, I would have advocated that one be retconned in. Since the extra belt IS canon, I suggest leaving it intact.
Hans
I have a personal interest in this one, since I've used that second belt to explain how a population of 70 million can survive in a belt where the risk of encountering contra-terrene matter is 3% per hour: The contra-terrene matter (and the Kinunir) is mostly in a different belt (which I've dubbed the Ragnarok Belt) and the people in the Shionthy Belt don't encounter CTM every other day.
In other words, if the extra belt hadn't already been canon, I would have advocated that one be retconned in. Since the extra belt IS canon, I suggest leaving it intact.
Hans
The Tech level of Yori is said to be 10 (A).
In The Spinward Marches1, The Kinunir, Twilight's Peak, Secret of the Ancients1, The Traveller Book1, and the Fifth Frontier War boardgame, Yori's TL is 13 (D).
In The Spinward Marches Campaign, Regency Sourcebook, and MgT:The Spinward Marches, Yori's TL is 10.
The TL should either be changed to back 13 or the aforementioned books and boardgame errata'ed.
Hans
In The Spinward Marches1, The Kinunir, Twilight's Peak, Secret of the Ancients1, The Traveller Book1, and the Fifth Frontier War boardgame, Yori's TL is 13 (D).
In The Spinward Marches Campaign, Regency Sourcebook, and MgT:The Spinward Marches, Yori's TL is 10.
In these three the accompanying notes include the sentence "...the highest tech level is D, at Efate, Uakye, Pixie, Boughene, and Yori."
The TL should either be changed to back 13 or the aforementioned books and boardgame errata'ed.
Hans
Yes, and I found the answer... TL 13 isn't valid, which is why they changed it. Thanks for the errata...
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How do you calculate X-Boat routes?
1) Connect Capital with all sector capitals using J6 X-boats. Hit as many important worlds as you can along the way, but fewer links trump that consideration.
2) Connect sector capitals with subsector capitals using J4 X-boats.
3 Connect any important world that isn't already connected to the network using the fewest number of links.
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