Grognard_1
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Wow, I didn't realize that so many had been lifted directly from Space Master. How... disappointing.
The Zhodani Coreward Expedition? Is this official?
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GypsyComet
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Lifted is too strong a word. Dave Pulver created many of them for his own homebrew Traveller universe, then converted them to Spacemaster when he wrote for them, then converted them BACK while working for SJG. Most have since been adopted into the OTU. Two that are not are the Inheritors and, IIRC, the Devi.
The Clotho are accepted by Marc, but not as the Addaxur. The Clotho were moved to another corner of the same sector, with a note that outsiders DO confuse the two because the Clotho travel a bit more and are mistaken for the Addaxur since they loosely fit the vague physical description (number of limbs, etc) and because the Addaxur don't travel nearly as far or as often. This is why the MGT v1 Zhodani book has specific art for the Addaxur that was either supplied by Marc or guided by old GDW art in Marc's archives.
Going through some of Ye Olde Stuffe, I was reminded of the Core Expedition threat that we didn't get due to the end of DGP's license, the Primordials. While I don't entirely hate them, and it does seem like Grandfather's style to set up the Zhodani to keep an eye on something he was interested in, I'm not entirely disappointed that they haven't been picked back up by official material.
The MGT version of Secrets of the Ancients does namecheck the Primordials as a potential future threat but doesn't go into further detail. It also introduces some other species and civilizations that were adversaries of the Ancients, one of which is hinted to still be lurking around somewhere in the galaxy.
So the Primordials are still out there but quite possibly not as DGP intended.
*re-reads the last chapter of SotA*
Oh, so just as out there as the Empress Wave.
*ducks and runs for cover*
Wait. If the Joes have been out that way for thousands of years, they've known about The Wave for... quite a while. And... they did what about it again?
Spinward Flow
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"Existential threat to civilization? Ah ... probably nothing to worry about! Tell the neighbors? You must be joking!"
/headdesk
GypsyComet
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They made plans. Because that's what they do.
Their knowing about the Wave is established in Marc's novel as well. "The Chilling Thought"
The "feel" of the Addaxur from CT: AM4 fits Don's version of the Addaxur in the initial MgT: Zhodani book better than the GT:Aliens 1 "Clotho". Having said that, I really like the GT write-up and general appearance/description of the Clotho, so I think it was a good decision to keep both but split them. And it details another sophont species within Consular Space for us (of which there are few enough as is).
But that is my opinion, of course.
Possibly. Or maybe the Ancients had contact with them back in the day, or with their relics and artifacts as a dead Precursor Race to the Ancients in their own day, and the future "threat" is just unfounded fear?
As I recall, if we go entirely with what is said about them in Knightfall, and not the what-may-have-been if DGP had been able to pursue their "Baddies from the Core" storyline I got the impression that once they reached a certain level of technological and cultural development that they just sublimed as some of the civilizations in Iain M. Banks' Culture novels.
You'll have to elaborate for me a bit. I have not read the Culture Series, and I am not quite sure what you mean by "sublimed".
mike wightman
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Ascended to a different dimension for existence, digitised their consciousness and loaded into the quantum foam, killed themselves and trusted to god...
take your pick.
take your pick.
@mike wightman : Thanks Mike.
@Talifon : In that case, the impression you have from Knightfall of them having "sublimed" in some fashion ages ago is, I think, an entirely reasonable possibility. They may be effectively extinct today. "Baddies from the Core" are not a necessary part of their storyline.
