T5 - 2D Tasks - I cracked it

[Supplement Four]

I actually like the XD system, and think the 2D+mods system is odd.

Sorry, I'll agree with you that it's cracked, but hopefully you won't mind if I play T5's task system as is.

I might be unhappy with T5 combat, but I really do like XD.

Am I coming across like I expect everyone to drop the multi-dice T5 system and convert to one of the two 2D systems I've presented?

That's not my intent at all. And, I don't really know where you're getting that impression, looking at my comments on these two threads.

I don't like T5's task system, true, but I do realize that some people do. I also realize that it is here to stay. If all the people griping about it in the playtest couldn't get it changed, it's certainly not going to change now that a book has been published (and a BIG book at that) where the task system central to the spine of the game.

To be clear: I'm posting this as an alternative for those interested in using a 2D system. Nothing else. I don't expect it to be seen in print anywhere.



From my point of view, though, the 2D HIB conversion is making me like T5 a lot more than I did before.

 

[Supplement Four]

Am I coming across like I expect everyone to drop the multi-dice T5 system and convert to one of the two 2D systems I've presented?

That's not my intent at all.

(snip)

To be clear: I'm posting this as an alternative for those interested in using a 2D system. Nothing else. I don't expect it to be seen in print anywhere.

I am quoting myself to emphasize the above.

Maybe what some of you have detected is my excitement in taming this horse. I used to think it was impossible, converting T5 multi-dice to 2D higher is better, and still have success chance in an acceptable range. For a while, I thought it impossible.

When I lick a problem like that, it excites me.

But, I've also read over the thread, and I see no part of it where my words brow beat people and express that I expect, now that the 2D conversion is here, that everyone playing T5 drop it and move to 2D.

It's here if you want it. If you don't, well, OK. Doesn't hurt my feelings at all.

 

[Hyphen]

Keep up the good work, Ken! If anyone on these boards deserves to be kibitzing (did I spell that Americanism correctly?) on TASK SYSTEMS it is you - someone who loves them like icecream.

“Many reviews are useless because, while purporting to condemn the book, they only reveal the reviewer’s dislike of the kind to which it belongs. Let bad tragedies be censured by those who love tragedy, and bad detective stories by those who love the detective story. Otherwise we shall find epics blamed for not being novels, farces for not being high comedies, novels by James for lacking the swift action of Smollett. Who wants to hear a particular claret abused by a fanatical teetotaller, or a particular woman by a confirmed misogynist?” (C S Lewis)

I'm just glad - and admire - the fact that Marc opened his world up for input from a bunch of fanboys. Keep the flame!

 

[Supplement Four]

Keep up the good work, Ken! If anyone on these boards deserves to be kibitzing (did I spell that Americanism correctly?) on TASK SYSTEMS it is you - someone who loves them like icecream.

“Many reviews are useless because, while purporting to condemn the book, they only reveal the reviewer’s dislike of the kind to which it belongs. Let bad tragedies be censured by those who love tragedy, and bad detective stories by those who love the detective story. Otherwise we shall find epics blamed for not being novels, farces for not being high comedies, novels by James for lacking the swift action of Smollett. Who wants to hear a particular claret abused by a fanatical teetotaller, or a particular woman by a confirmed misogynist?” (C S Lewis)

I'm just glad - and admire - the fact that Marc opened his world up for input from a bunch of fanboys. Keep the flame!

Thanks, David! I do appreciate that.

I'm just a bit flabbergasted that anyone would take offence to my postings on the 2D conversion. I can't see where I come across shoving it down anybody's throat at all.

Maybe some like T5 so much that they are offended or threatened with it being modded, as your quote suggests.

I dunno. But, thanks!

 

[aramis]

Am I coming across like I expect everyone to drop the multi-dice T5 system and convert to one of the two 2D systems I've presented?

Yes.

 

[Supplement Four]

Yes.

Where? Quote it please. As I said, it wasn't my intent.

 

[rhialto]

Am I coming across like I expect everyone to drop the multi-dice T5 system and convert to one of the two 2D systems I've presented?

That's not my intent at all. And, I don't really know where you're getting that impression, looking at my comments on these two threads.

To be clear: I'm posting this as an alternative for those interested in using a 2D system. Nothing else. I don't expect it to be seen in print anywhere.

No, and thanks for posting it: as one not inclined towards T5's xD roll under mechanic I appreciate the work and intent behind this.

 

[Ulsyus]

WEG D6 Star Wars is one of the best mechanics systems ever written, imo.

Yeah, I remember running a campaign with that game - it was sooooo easy, it made it simple for me to concentrate on the game for the players rather than crunching mechanics all the time. But, it was a very cinematic game that didn't rely on any hard real-world stuff.

If you want to play T5 with a 2D-Higher mechanic, fill your boots. It's the integration of all the earlier components of Traveller into one book that I think is it's best asset. You'll just need to take into account things like sensor rolls and such. Really, it's all just maths and there's multiple ways of getting to the answer, which is why it's possible in the first place to have two mechanics for reaching the same conclusion. Let's all be glad it has that sort of flexibility.

 

[Supplement Four]

You'll just need to take into account things like sensor rolls and such.

I don't think the sensor rolls will be a problem at all.

 

[robject]

I'm just a bit flabbergasted that anyone would take offence to my postings on the 2D conversion.

You shouldn't be (flabbergasted). I've posted fixes to what I perceive to be bulky, dumb, ridiculous features of CT and MT - but they are actually features, not bugs. Some who really like those bits of CT get a bit irked. I also have posted several "bridging" posts, showing how CT and MT stuff can be used in T5, and vice versa. Again, some people get irked. And there don't seem to be enough MT'ers here to get that response, although there are rational defenders of parts of it.

And once, just once, I've seen someone actually post over on Mongoose that they like using T5's sensor rules with Mongoose Traveller. I don't think that person was roasted alive, but I imagine if I showed how MgT could be run using T5's task system, I would get some people over there annoyed. Even hostile. There are a couple of Malenfants over there.

Thankfully, there are so few TNE Malenfants on COTI (or at least, they are quiet), because back on the TML most of the things I thought were good ideas were shot down with contempt because I essentially invalidated Fire, Fusion, and Steel (either edition). Heaven forbid someone defend Book 2 on the TML... a great way to get ridiculed. Many of my posts here would still annoy TNE'ers.

 

[Supplement Four]

You shouldn't be (flabbergasted). I've posted fixes to what I perceive to be bulky, dumb, ridiculous features of CT and MT - but they are actually features, not bugs. Some who really like those bits of CT get a bit irked. I also have posted several "bridging" posts, showing how CT and MT stuff can be used in T5, and vice versa. Again, some people get irked. And there don't seem to be enough MT'ers here to get that response, although there are rational defenders of parts of it.

And once, just once, I've seen someone actually post over on Mongoose that they like using T5's sensor rules with Mongoose Traveller. I don't think that person was roasted alive, but I imagine if I showed how MgT could be run using T5's task system, I would get some people over there annoyed. Even hostile. There are a couple of Malenfants over there.

Thankfully, there are so few TNE Malenfants on COTI (or at least, they are quiet), because back on the TML most of the things I thought were good ideas were shot down with contempt because I essentially invalidated Fire, Fusion, and Steel (either edition). Heaven forbid someone defend Book 2 on the TML... a great way to get ridiculed. Many of my posts here would still annoy TNE'ers.

Well, if you get trashed, I put my last thought into anyone being peeved over this. You're one of the most unconfrontational Traveller posters I've ever seen.

Let 'em get mad. There's nothing I can do about it anyway.

 

[Enoff]

Have fun Sup4, enjoy what you like to do, that's all that matters

 

[aramis]

Where? Quote it please. As I said, it wasn't my intent.

The constant harping on it, over time, coupled with the multiple threads this week right after your comments about it in another thread, really gives the impression you're lobbying for either a massive groundswell against it, and/or public praise for "fixing" the "broken part." Couple that with 20 years of dealing with you (here, the TML)...

Simply put, your sudden "Enthusiasm" for "fixing" something that others don't feel is broken and which you've erroneously implied you haven't tried in other threads. For the record, I know you've tried the T5 task system, and its prior incarnations T4.1 and T4.0.

Part of the impression is due to 5 different threads in a 24 hour period that could easily have been 3.

And, to be blunt, as long as you don't cross the line previously drawn in the sand, you can encourage people all you want to use your variant.

 

[Supplement Four]

The constant harping on it, over time, coupled with the multiple threads this week right after your comments about it in another thread, really gives the impression you're lobbying for either a massive groundswell against it, and/or public praise for "fixing" the "broken part."

There are two threads. One dedicated to higher is better, and this one, dedicated to lower is better. The two systems have significant differences, and I thought two threads prudent so as not to confuse the conversation and keep people from saying or thinking, "Are you referring to the higher is better or lower is better conversion?"

As the ideas come to me, I post. That's not harping. That's brainstorming.

You'll note that you saw no negativity in my tone. That's why you couldn't find anything to quote.

Couple that with 20 years of dealing with you (here, the TML)...

Whoa! Nice dig. Way to go, Mr. Moderator. Lead by example, eh?

Shall we start talking about infamous reps and how MANY people feel about you?

For the record, I know you've tried the T5 task system, and its prior incarnations T4.1 and T4.0.

When I say "use" or "try", I'm talking about actually using--hands on--the system in a real gaming situation. The only time I've used the multi-dice, lower is better, Traveller system is when T4 came out. I switched my MT base game to the T4 system, then I modified the T4 system because it was broken.

What is it you are referring to?

Part of the impression is due to 5 different threads in a 24 hour period that could easily have been 3.

I've actually generated a lot of positive talk about T5 in these recent threads you cite.

And, to be blunt, as long as you don't cross the line previously drawn in the sand, you can encourage people all you want to use your variant.

Well, you know how I feel about your...proclamation.

 

[Supplement Four]

BTW, for those interested, the 2D, Higher is Better conversion for T5 tasks is discussed in another thread: CLICK HERE.

This thread is primarily for the 2D, Lower Is Better, version.