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standard IN gear?

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getting ready to start my "crew is imperial navy" adventures. i'm wondering what one would consider standard gear onboard a small (under 1000 dtons) IN vessel. i'm sure snub pistols would be. gauss rifles, maybe not. combat armor, on a ship with no marines/ship's troops, probably not.

ideas?
 
Lifeboat(s).

Vacc suits? Probably a few -- far too few for the entire ship's crew, though. Rescue balls, re-entry kits? Probably not.

Cutlasses, surely. Slug throwers and energy weapons other than snubbies, probably not! The exception might be a take-down carbine in the survival kit aboard each lifeboat. IMTU, snub pistols are issued to ship officers for putting down mutinies and dealing with drunk & disorderly crew. Marines (with their own weaponry) are for dealing with boarding and away actions.
 
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survival knives, maybe. cutlasses? probably not--it's a marine legacy weapon.

maybe a couple of suits of cloth/reflec?
 
IMTU I have Steam Guns, or Steamers for short. A device about the size of a flamethrower and of similar first-round lethality to unprotected targets, it fires jets of superheated steam. Great for clearing corridors without damaging the decor. Even helps the guys on fatigue with toothbrushes...
 
Laser Weapons that be connected to power sockets located along passage ways and critical areas of the ship. As long as the ship has power the weapons would have unlimited ammo. The power levels could be adjusted to prevent excessive damage to the ship. Individual power sockets could be turned off to prevent use by boarders. In fact there could be sockets on the outside of the ship to be used by the crew in space or on the surface. The sockets could also be used to power tools or other equipment.
 
survival knives, maybe. cutlasses? probably not--it's a marine legacy weapon.

maybe a couple of suits of cloth/reflec?

I'd think that would depend upon the mission and the need for security aboard your vessel. If the ship is involved strictly in naval (combat) maneuvers, personal armor of any variety would be superfluous, a needless extravagance. If the crew is doing their jobs, NO ONE gets aboard, (not even close), without the Captain's permission!
 
combat armor, on a ship with no marines/ship's troops, probably not.

ideas?

I have always preferred combat armor for at least part of military vessel crews; for example, all my fighter and boat crews are issued it as a matter course (for morale, if nothing else). I would especially consider it for engineering crew and damage control teams, since those folks may find themselves needing to work in damaged areas while under incoming fire and would certainly appreciate the extra personal protection.

Small arms should be snub pistols (the semiauto "combat" model) and "snubmachineguns", with perhaps a laser carbine or two for special purposes. A grenade launcher that fires paintballs can be surprisingly useful for glopping up enemy vacc suit faceplates, too. There may be occasion to conduct a boarding-for-inspection operation; even on an escort-sized vessel, I'd put a handy squad of Marines aboard for good measure. Bonus: if you put the jarheads in battledress, they don't get fatigued on reloading and damage control duty... which everybody can appreciate...
 
getting ready to start my "crew is imperial navy" adventures. i'm wondering what one would consider standard gear onboard a small (under 1000 dtons) IN vessel. i'm sure snub pistols would be. gauss rifles, maybe not. combat armor, on a ship with no marines/ship's troops, probably not.
I'd say it may very well depend on the ship's mission and environment. If they're expected to be operating independently of other fleet units, they're going to potentially have to deal with any problems on their own. If there's even a chance you're going to be expected to board a pirate (for example), and you don't have anything on board more deadly than the fruitcake Aunt Margrethe mailed you for the Emperor's Birthday four years ago, you are in a world of hurt. I also think it would be seriously disruptive to crew morale to have insufficient (or improperly maintained) survival gear in case of catastrophe; it seems dubious that Navy policy would be "Pray you die in the catastrophe, because any survivors are totally up the creek without a paddle". However, the Navy is certainly going to figure out ways to deal with problems that are considered likely to arise, or that would be catastrophic if they did occur, even if they're not very likely.

There will be some way to abandon ship, whether it's small craft or lifeboats. Everyone's going to have vacc suits at least (and combat armor is just an armored vacc suit, after all -- GT, p. 118), since it's certainly possible that the hull could suffer decompression in combat, or personnel might have to go extravehicular for some reason. Since there has been some tension with the Zhodani in recent history, I'd expect to see psi-shielding on helmets and the ship as a whole. There's going to be some sort of medical equipment, even if it's just an emergency-aid station.

Crews for smaller ships will be trained to cover all sorts of possibilities. While you may or may not have actual "ship's troops" or Marines, there will almost surely be someone designated "chief master-at-arms" who will be able to lead the crewmembers who have some training in personal weapons. Remember that the Navy's Bureau of Personnel is going to have records of all the equipment that each crewman is qualified on, and there will be crewing requirements to be met. It's not uncommon for a ship to be somewhat undermanned in some non-critical areas (if regulations call for fourteen drive hands, you might sail with only twelve if the Chief Engineer trusts his gang), but if you're missing something that the Navy (or the ship's captain) views as essential ("Um, who knows how to fly this thing?"), then you're not going to sail.

Equipment's going to work in much the same way. If the ship is a logistics vessel running transferring supplies and personnel in a safe area of Gushemege sector (which sounds like a boring game, but I'm just using that for the sake of example here), the captain might very well get underway with an incomplete loadout of missiles and personal weaponry. If you're on convoy escort in Corridor while the Vargr are raiding, only a fool would report his ship ready for duty without being loaded to capacity.

I'd certainly expect a wide variety of communications and sensor gear (though perhaps not including densitometers and neural activity sensors, unless boarding activities are planned); if the captain has to send a runner with a message, something will have gone seriously wrong. Emergency gear will cover deep-space emergencies and if you're operating in a less-populated area, might be sufficient to allow survival for quite a while until help arrives; I'd consider six weeks of supplies for the entire crew a bare minimum. Personal weaponry, probably low-recoil in nature; snub pistols and accelerator rifles will allow flexibility between HEAT and chemical rounds, laser weapons can be recharged (although you still have the powerpacks to deal with), but I would be surprised if there was anything heavier. I'd expect some breaching charges for rescue work at least, though not much else in the way of explosives; perhaps some "flash-bangs". Freight-handling equipment of some sort will be important, although Marines in powered armor can be helpful here, too -- see Far Trader for details.

Personal eccentricities can accommodate some other things, but keep in mind that on a smallish vessel, it's hard to keep major secrets. Sure, the CPOs might have a still hidden in some unused cranny, but nobody's going to smuggle speeder bikes on board without an officer finding out (Now, he might not do anything about it, or he might even encourage it -- depends on what it is). There will be some personal gear stowage, but it's not going to be very much; probably the equivalent of a footlocker, and it's going to be subject to inspection to determine if everything is allowed by regulations.
 
getting ready to start my "crew is imperial navy" adventures. i'm wondering what one would consider standard gear onboard a small (under 1000 dtons) IN vessel. i'm sure snub pistols would be. gauss rifles, maybe not. combat armor, on a ship with no marines/ship's troops, probably not.

ideas?

IMTU, Light Duty Vacc Suits (LDVS) as N-Space duty uniforms for IN personnel.
Officers carry snub pistols.
Ratings have snubs in the ship's locker, and a functional cutlass either worn or at station or room.
Everybody has a set of commdots.
Every duty station and stateroom has an "Emergency Tank" designed to pressurize a soft helmet and provide 15m of air.
Everyone has a service dress uniform, undress uniform, PT Uniform, and spare LDVS in their room.
Everyone has a generic multi-tool, and the ship has an appropriate toolkit in the engineering section for making needed repairs. Most will also have an appropriate one just in case.
There will be at least one PLSS-C-15, for EVA repairs, and at least one Thruster Pack.
There will be at least two medkits, kept in different areas of the ship.
Every room has a rescue ball. Just in case.
Anyone with Comp 1+ gets a hand-comp.
Anyone with Vac Suit 1+ may have a tailored TL15 Vacc Suit.
Anyone who can tolerate one may have a personal HUD (AKA Data Display Headpiece).
If cargo permits, an extra ton of rations (suitable for 0-G) and LS gear.
If cargo permits, an inflatable hab and portable Fusion Plant to go with it.
Any assigned marines have a stowed Gauss Rifle AND Accellerator Rifle, and combat armor, with Armored PLSS-C-15 and Thruster Pack. THey wear their cutlasses.
Everyone carries 2 sets of "Buddy Cables": combined tether/LS/power/data for buddy rescue or seat connection, so you don't have to have your PLSS active when the pressure is dropped.
 
IMTU IN personnel get:
- Dress uniform
- Undress Uniform
- Several sets of underwear
- Assorted toiletries
- Vacc Suit with helmet
- PLSS-A
- Hand Comp (PDA + communicator)

(I've never liked the tailored vacc suit idea so they're not IMTU. As for the PLSS-A, each workstation seat is tied in to the ship's life support, so when a crewman sits there while the ship is decompressed he plumbs himself in. The PLSS-A gives him a little mobility when he needs to leave his workstation.)

Firearms tend to be snub pistols, body pistols, and laser pistols ... but all are kept in the ship's locker unless specifically needed and authorised.

Each pressure section of the ship has a first aid kit, fire extinguisher, rad counter, and small general-purpose tool kit.

The med bay will have a major trauma med kit and medical scanner for portable use, plus an examination/operating table and drug locker.

Engineering will have a mechanical tool kit, electronic tool kit, and an engineering tool kit for portable use, plus a spares locker and limited field fabrication equipment (mini-lathe, smelter/caster, etc).

The ship's locker will have a PLSS-C with integral thruster pack, cable, emergency rations, distress becon (long-range field comm unit), confiscated PC toys ...


(Also, if you're running an IN campaign check out StuffOnline for my take on regulations, terminology/slang, uniforms, rank insignia, and other IN stuff.)

Regards PLST
 
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Hemdian said:
(I've never liked the tailored vacc suit idea so they're not IMTU.

Out of curiosity, why not? I only start considering them at the TL 14-15 levels anyway, but at those levels, I find them quite handy.

I've always thought vacc suits should be bulky, even at high tech. Primarily for image: films from Alien to Star Trek First Contact have been influencial on how I visualise Traveller, as well as Kieth Brothers art, and they all have bulky suits (and ST is pretty high tech).

But also I think there are practical issues around maintaining body pressure in a vacuum as well as temperature and radiation extremes. I may be completely wrong on this (I'm no scientist) but a vacc suit that's like ordinary cloths the rest of the time seems too much like magic. Jump drives and reactionless thrusters I can buy, tailored vacc suits ... naahhh.

Regards PLST
 
NASA (and Zubrin) both think an elastomer suit UNDER the clothing should be sufficient to avoid most of the worst effects aside from lack of air and radiation. Connect up a helmet system with oxygen...

The elastomer maintains pressure against the skin, and pulls the stomach and chest in tightly to counter the pressure in the lungs and gut. Gloves and boots complete the minimal suit's pressure integrity. A radiation overgarment with a kevlar protective layer for impact...

This is one of the proposed mars suits... at present, the elastomer isn't up to the task. But it's close. I'd call it a LDVS...

A tailored vacc suit (TL14+, remember) probably uses myomers to enhance the elastomers, and a couple bladders to assist.

They are not "indistinguishable" from normal clothes (the helmet, glove, and boot affixtures are going to be obvious), but at least we're not talkin 2cm thick... maybe as low as 5mm thick in some places. Comparable to a wetsuit.
 
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Yes, I have TL14+ vacc suits of wet suit dimensions. You could use micro-powered (works for bonded superdense) nano-actuators in the weave to regulate the pressures properly and 'fit' the suit from a small range of sizes. Impact resistance and limited self repair are built in.
 
Yes, in fact the TNE RCES Body Sleeves were described as being akin to "wet suits." These were just equivalent to flight suits, but at TL 12, its not hard to see the application to full vac suit by TL14-15.

Also, IIRC, the tailored vac suits were only used for EXTREMELY light duration - if you wanted to do anything long term, or for a dangerous area, a more robust suit would be required.
 
Not so... in the DGP materials, they are robust enough to wear as IN and IISS uniforms. As for outside use, not so likely, but still, adequate. There is little to no detail outside those, other than Cloth-2 armor rating.
 
The primary use for such "skinsuits" would be to provide short-term protection in an emergency, to give the wearer time to find and don a full vacc suit.

That is why they can be worn as a normal uniform.
 
Not so... in the DGP materials, they are robust enough to wear as IN and IISS uniforms. As for outside use, not so likely, but still, adequate. There is little to no detail outside those, other than Cloth-2 armor rating.

Yes! Thanks for the correction, aramis! That reminded me of the data in the WBH for the Scouts and I checked it out. Can't remember where the IN stuff was, though...
 
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