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SolCon Reforms (TNS: 130-1121)

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From SJ Games:

http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/traveller/news.html


I think we all saw this coming in some form or another. With the Chissano crisis and regional conflicts/revolutions SolCon is at a major point, where they either reform, friendly splintering, or violent implosion. If the latter we could see thier neighbors (Aslani, Imperium, Hivers) move in to "stablise" the border subsectors.

It makes you wonder what knowledge or hand Strephon had regarding the events taking place in SolCon. Now with the Empress staying on in the Rim with an Imperial Warrent, could we be seeing a direct Imperial hand on any possible negotiations? (Trade, Immigration, Allegiance Swapping, etc).

I hope LKW and Company at SJG will be presenting something via JTAS. The potentials are immense than just a bunch of TNS wires.
 
Go go Solly Violent Implosion! Yeah!!!
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So MegaTraveller had the 3rd Imperium's civil war and SJG is gonna have the Solomani Confederation fall into civil war in the alternative timeline. :mad:
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In such a case that probably means the Aslan, Hivers and the Imperials will take over big chunks of the old sphere for themselves and the Confederation ceases to exist. :mad:
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I feel very sick thinking about it, please excuse me......
 
I hope LKW and Company at SJG will be presenting something via JTAS. The potentials are immense than just a bunch of TNS wires.
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I hope they do something with this - a campaign book or something would be great. I like that the Traveller universe as described there is dynamic and changeable.

Any chance in the SolCon would be pretty important. Hopefully it wouldn't blow up into fullblown civil war, but I can't imagine the conservative types in power wanting to allow a more democratic, libertarian SolCon to exist.

And uh, Randy. It's only a game. Chill. I'd strongly doubt that anything as drastic as the complete dissolution of the SolCon is on the cards.
 
The only empire that is a threat is the Aslan.

The Imperium would not invade the Confederation. If border systems declare for the Imperium, sure. But they will not try to take anything from the Confederation. It is just not worth the price that would be paid.

The Hivers would not move in either. They want the Solomani to not be a threat to them, not to take Solomani territory. Actually, a Solomani Confederation in complete disarray would be just fine with the Hivers.

The Aslan likely would try to exploit the weakness. But even then, it would likely only be a few subsectors, not a significant chunk. If they take a little, they will get to keep it. But if they overreach, they risk unifying the Confederation into a full blown war with the Aslan. That would be a very bad thing for them, so I doubt they would risk too much.

The real risk to the Confederation is that if full civil war breaks out, then the small interstellar groups and polities will reemerge (like the Near Bootes Cluster) and become fully or effectively independent. Then, depending on what the Solomani Navy does determines if the Confederation survives intact or not.

(Sure much of the Navy command has been purged, but that doesn't guarantee anything. There would likely be plenty of defections.)
 
I'm thinking it will be further confederation into several multi-subsector polities with some mutual defense and trade agreements. Many of the border regions will could go total indie or ask to become client states to another with the option for full membership.

The likes of Kukulcan will go with atleast an Imperial version of Most-Favored Trade Status. The worlds along the Hiver border could go for Federation membership or indie status, depending on how the Hivers are manipulating the scene.
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Both of these borders will see the potential for merchant (legal, illegal, and in between) opportunities, and political intriques (Empress, Archduke of Sol, Duke of Dingir, and Marchoness of Terra as patrons).

Probaly the saddest episodes will be the spinward subsectors along the Aslani border. The old blood feuds and rivalries will flare up again. The Ihatei will be bold enough to conquer and squat on new lands. Military adventurism like the 5FW and Rebellion Era Deneb Domain will surely result.

So if there is a mutual breakup there can be different potentials for everyone. A group or GM can choose the region that best suits thier needs.

Then there's the worse case, civil war and implosion.

I can see similar actions that happened during the early Rebellion. In particular various border fleets joining the fight for one faction or another within the SolCon Core. Just like with the Imperium, the neighboring states see the weak borders as an excuse to "liberate" the frontiers.
 
Could somebody please name one neighbor of the Sphere that could afford to sit out a war of the rim?

Note that the Hivers have a coreward neighbor who would be very upset if the Aslan expanded to the Hiver border.

And how could Strephon turn aside if human worlds were being claimed by aliens?
 
Originally posted by Henry J Cobb:
And how could Strephon turn aside if human worlds were being claimed by aliens?
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Especially, when, from one point of view, it's all still Imperial Territory, reclaimed with the revocation of the Autonomous status.

Those would be Imperial worlds the Aslan were gobling up.
 
In case those that don't know, Strephon just finished celebrating his Golden Jubilee year. The Empress went to Terra as part of the celibrations. While there it was announced her itinerary changed and she has an Imperial Warrent!

Something tells me Strephon either knew/suspected something was going down, or he needed someone to oversee some reforms with Adair. In either case, an Imperial presense is on the Rim.
 
Hello All, this is my first post.

Please excuse the Rim Anglic. ;)

Over at the Solomani Confederation Yahoo group, this topic just did the equivalent of firing a rocket up our trousers - so I had to come and see how others are taking it.

All in all, I think that SJG is feeling the pressure (real or imagined) from the T20 market, and decided to wind things up a bit.

As I mentioned at SolCon Yahoo, if this doesn't degenerate into a rimside version of The Rebellion, this might actually be a neat thing, as it will require more attention be devoted to things Solomani.

When you think about it, SJG & Loren may have found themselves in a bind - the Spinward March has been done to death, the Rebellion was a disaster (for GDW as much as anyone else), the Hivers and K'Kree are too far away. For stirring the pot, who else could it have been *but* the Solomani?

BTW, if you'd like to see how ConFed Marines might be different when compared with Imperial Marines, come look in our Files Section.

We're also preparing an article on the Solomani Guards - 90 battalions of TL14 Homo Superior ;)

Yours in Service to Our Glorious Cause,
Commissionar Frye
 
SolCommissionar Frye,
Welcome aboard.

I've tried to be a good party member, alerting you to this (IMO) unfortunate turn of events. I would have prefered an invasion by the K'Kree into Imperial space as a shakeup over having the Confederation go through civil war or be broken up.
 
Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Henry J Cobb:
And how could Strephon turn aside if human worlds were being claimed by aliens?
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Especially, when, from one point of view, it's all still Imperial Territory, reclaimed with the revocation of the Autonomous status.

Those would be Imperial worlds the Aslan were gobling up. </font>[/QUOTE]Don't think so. The Autonomous region was revoked sure, but that area wasn't Imperial before that. If that's revoked, you just get unaligned solomani worlsd instead.
 
Originally posted by Randy Tyler:

I've tried to be a good party member, alerting you to this (IMO) unfortunate turn of events.
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Comrade Randy, you have done well. The Party rewards RightThink. ;)


I would have prefered an invasion by the K'Kree into Imperial space as a shakeup over having the Confederation go through civil war or be broken up. [/QUOTE]

But you must remember what GDW learned to their own cost - Don't #%*@ (Read:Mess) with the Imperium.

This way, Traveller Fans get to have their Rebellion and enjoy it, too.

The ConFederation will survive, because the Confederation is not composed of borders, or worlds, or even fleets - it is the People. And if it comes to be that our People are taken into the Imperium, then THERE too will be the Confederation.

And failing that, you can always say "Not IMTU!"

Or migrate to T20 (or write up an end to the Rebellion without Virus and with Strephon back on the throne and the ConFed in possession of Terra)

Yours in the Cause of Solomani Destiny,
Commissionar Frye
 
Originally posted by Malenfant:
QUOTE]Don't think so. The Autonomous region was revoked sure, but that area wasn't Imperial before that. If that's revoked, you just get unaligned solomani worlsd instead. [/QB]
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Citizen Malenfant,

What you say at first is true, the Autonomous Region was "revoked", but I fear you mistake the Imperial intent.

To quote the Imperial Order of 292/940 (Imperial Calendar): "As of this day, We revoke the Charter of the Solomani Autonomous Region, and We require all agencies of Our government to take any steps necessary to bring that region under direct Imperial rule." - Margaret II, as Protector of Terra (GT:RoF p.59)

This is not to say that Emperor Strephon cannot reverse the Imperial position, but in so doing, he would, by default, renounce the Imperial claim to the entire Solomani Sphere.

That would be unfortunate, from an Imperial point of view.
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Yours in Service to Solomani Destiny,
Commissionar Frye
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Originally posted by Malenfant:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
Those would be Imperial worlds the Aslan were gobling up.
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Don't think so. The Autonomous region was revoked sure, but that area wasn't Imperial before that. If that's revoked, you just get unaligned solomani worlsd instead.
</font>[/QUOTE]Year 588-292: The Old Earth Union, centered on Terra (1827 Solomani Rim), is absorbed into the Imperium; a small historical mission verifies haut-Devroe's Solomani Hypothesis. Supplement 08 - Library Data (A-M), GDW, 1981, p. 10, 38, 45.

Year 704: Empress Margaret I grants broad authority over space within a 50 parsec radius of Terra (1827 Solomani Rim) to a Solomani governing body, forming the Solomani Autonomous Region, or Solomani Sphere. Supplement 11 - Library Data (N-Z), GDW, 1982, p. 19.

That seems to make the region "Imperial," in so far as I can tell.

The conflict, of course, arose from the Solomani denying Imperial authority after the revocation.
 
Originally posted by SolCommissionar:
But you must remember what GDW learned to their own cost - Don't #%*@ (Read:Mess) with the Imperium.

This way, Traveller Fans get to have their Rebellion and enjoy it, too.

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And failing that, you can always say "Not IMTU!"


Or migrate to T20 (or write up an end to the Rebellion without Virus and with Strephon back on the throne and the ConFed in possession of Terra)
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Oh boy! Here we go!
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I dunno... it seems to me that the Imperials granted the Autonomous region to the Solomani to govern themselves. When they revoked it, they may have stated that they wanted to bring it under Imperial control, but they only actually managed to regain the coreward chunk of it and incorporate that into Impy space - they didn't get the rest of the sphere beyond the current Imp/Sol border. So it looks to me like they can say what they want, but the rest of the sphere is as firmly Solomani as it always has been.
 
When I first took over as GT GURU, I discussed with Marc that the alternate universe should diverge from the mainline/Rebellion/TNE universe. Marc agreed, and we worked a rough outline of several plotlines that would gradualy unfold -- starting with the diversion point, then gradually accelerating.

Our thinking (to the extent I chose to reveal it) is that the strains and internal divisions in the Imperium and in the Solomani Confederation that existed before the Rebellion will continue to exist in the GT alternate universe, but they will turn out differently.

Comrade Randy:

All I can say is "Wait and see."

Originally posted by SolCommissionar:
But you must remember what GDW learned to their own cost - Don't #%*@ (Read:Mess) with the Imperium.
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Commissionar Frye:

With all due respect, I make my living #%*@ (mess)ing with the Imperium, and I hope I will continue to do so for a long time to come. Past experience has taught me that the thing to be avoided is embalming the game situation as if it were a stuffed animal on a mantle, not the living, growing entity it remains.

As you say, however, YTU can vary.
 
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