Non OTU: Rimward Bound

[wellis]

I thought the rest of your overall universe was still pretty different from the OTU, considering here?:

Humans: With respect to human types, there are no Zhodani (two human groups modified by the Ancients is one too many, plus I am not a fan of psionics at all as used in the game), and no Sword Worlders as depicted in canon (regretfully, but I cannot get a bunch of Icelandic-speaking Terrans to the Spinward Marches in any sort of comprehensible way).

There is something calling itself the Imperium centered on Capitol in what is called the Core Sector, with an effective radius of control of about 30 parsecs. There is another Imperium centered on Vland, which contests control of the intervening space with the Core Imperium. The Vland Imperium very much concerned with racial purity, and views any Solomani blood as contamination. DNA testing is mandatory.

The Spinward Marches are just that, the frontier area. Lip service is paid to Vland, but no effective control is possible, and the March worlds pretty much view the Imperium as something so far away as to be meaningless. Local confederations of planets exist, and you periodically have someone try to transform one of them into an Empire. That is not viewed with favor by the overall community.

The Terran Confederation is centered on Terra, and also has effective control out to about 30 parsecs or so. The Imperium never conquered Terra, and disintegrated in the attempt to do so. The Terrans have fanned out throughout what canon calls the Solomani Rim, settled by various groups seeking to run their own affairs. Think of planets called New Texas, New Quebec, New Alaska, New Boston, New Berkeley, etc. I can put the Icelandic-speaking Sword Worlders in this area, roughly between the Terran planets and the Aslan area, happily raiding both.

When would you date your setting generally? Is it hundreds or a thousand or so years in the future?

 

[Timerover51]

I thought the rest of your overall universe was still pretty different from the OTU, considering here?:


When would you date your setting generally? Is it hundreds or a thousand or so years in the future?

With the use of the Cepheus Engine, and the ability to modify it as needed, I decided to simply let the OTU go its own way, while I set up an alternative universe with little to not connection to the OTU.

As to the timing, the OTU is all over the map depending on what rules edition you are using. Call it 1100, or you could call it 900 3rd Imperium Dating, or maybe back to Year Zero for the 3rd Imperium. I assume the use of the compact fusion plants, so probably not Year Zero, although if I use collapsium, I can get a pretty good compact fission plant going as an alternative power source. I still might use that regardless. It would make a nice compact power plant for vehicles, and you would not have to worry about refueling for about a year or so.

Edit Note: I do not think that anything I have planned for the Out Rim sector would conflict with my ideas as to what the rest of Known Space looks like.

 

[aramis]

Gyro-stabilized weapons are real, modern tech. Recoil compensation is real, modern, 2018 tech. (Recoil compensation dates back to WW II).

The ACR pretty much already exists -

75 cm long, using a 9mm diameter (about 0.35 inch) explosive round, or a 6mm discarding sabot penetrator... 9mm is about as small as a decent explosive round can be made — one can make a crude one by taking a 9mm hollowpoint, a BB, a bit of powder, and a percussion cap. (One can improve it a bit with a drill bit.)
A 6mm DS in a 9mm rifle round is quite doable - the energy on round is about the same as many hunting rifles, but better compensated by use of the typical battle rifle methods.

The 30-30 is about 930 m/s, and is rapid fireable without compensation and without bracing (as demonstrated at many a shooting competition, using a 10 g bullet. The specified ACR bullet is half the weight, 1.5x the volume (1.16 x the dimension, cubed for volume), 1.3 x the speed (squared to get the energy multiple), then multiplied by the 6/10. For about 1.15x the energy; that energy in a compensated rifle, with gyroscopic stabilization.

Electric sights, near IR & LI. Current, as of this year, in the form of the "Enhanced Night Vision Goggle III and Family of Weapon Sight-Individual (ENVG III/FWS-I) Program"... The weapon's sight feeds to the NVG, and is, like the NVG itself, near IR and LI digitally integrated.

Gyrostabilized is doable now, too — it's just too expensive at the moment.

Nothing in the ACR is "uncontrollable" nor is it likely to be problematic.

Now, in 12mm, or 15mm, then we start getting into needing a recoil compensation. Automatic/Semiautomatic actions are better at spreading the recoil impulse than are lever actions. And people routinely manually rapid fire 30-30 lever actions.

 

[Timerover51]

Gyro-stabilized weapons are real, modern tech. Recoil compensation is real, modern, 2018 tech. (Recoil compensation dates back to WW II).

The ACR pretty much already exists -

75 cm long, using a 9mm diameter (about 0.35 inch) explosive round, or a 6mm discarding sabot penetrator... 9mm is about as small as a decent explosive round can be made — one can make a crude one by taking a 9mm hollowpoint, a BB, a bit of powder, and a percussion cap. (One can improve it a bit with a drill bit.)
A 6mm DS in a 9mm rifle round is quite doable - the energy on round is about the same as many hunting rifles, but better compensated by use of the typical battle rifle methods.

The 30-30 is about 930 m/s, and is rapid fireable without compensation and without bracing (as demonstrated at many a shooting competition, using a 10 g bullet. The specified ACR bullet is half the weight, 1.5x the volume (1.16 x the dimension, cubed for volume), 1.3 x the speed (squared to get the energy multiple), then multiplied by the 6/10. For about 1.15x the energy; that energy in a compensated rifle, with gyroscopic stabilization.

Electric sights, near IR & LI. Current, as of this year, in the form of the "Enhanced Night Vision Goggle III and Family of Weapon Sight-Individual (ENVG III/FWS-I) Program"... The weapon's sight feeds to the NVG, and is, like the NVG itself, near IR and LI digitally integrated.

Gyrostabilized is doable now, too — it's just too expensive at the moment.

Nothing in the ACR is "uncontrollable" nor is it likely to be problematic.

Now, in 12mm, or 15mm, then we start getting into needing a recoil compensation. Automatic/Semiautomatic actions are better at spreading the recoil impulse than are lever actions. And people routinely manually rapid fire 30-30 lever actions.

Okay, Aramis, I get the idea. I will quit posting here and drop any and all comments about what I am doing.

Edit Note: I no longer have the energy to argue with you. Kindly lock the thread.

 

[wellis]

Gyro-stabilized weapons are real, modern tech. Recoil compensation is real, modern, 2018 tech. (Recoil compensation dates back to WW II).

The ACR pretty much already exists -

75 cm long, using a 9mm diameter (about 0.35 inch) explosive round, or a 6mm discarding sabot penetrator... 9mm is about as small as a decent explosive round can be made — one can make a crude one by taking a 9mm hollowpoint, a BB, a bit of powder, and a percussion cap. (One can improve it a bit with a drill bit.)
A 6mm DS in a 9mm rifle round is quite doable - the energy on round is about the same as many hunting rifles, but better compensated by use of the typical battle rifle methods.

The 30-30 is about 930 m/s, and is rapid fireable without compensation and without bracing (as demonstrated at many a shooting competition, using a 10 g bullet. The specified ACR bullet is half the weight, 1.5x the volume (1.16 x the dimension, cubed for volume), 1.3 x the speed (squared to get the energy multiple), then multiplied by the 6/10. For about 1.15x the energy; that energy in a compensated rifle, with gyroscopic stabilization.

Electric sights, near IR & LI. Current, as of this year, in the form of the "Enhanced Night Vision Goggle III and Family of Weapon Sight-Individual (ENVG III/FWS-I) Program"... The weapon's sight feeds to the NVG, and is, like the NVG itself, near IR and LI digitally integrated.

Gyrostabilized is doable now, too — it's just too expensive at the moment.

Nothing in the ACR is "uncontrollable" nor is it likely to be problematic.

Now, in 12mm, or 15mm, then we start getting into needing a recoil compensation. Automatic/Semiautomatic actions are better at spreading the recoil impulse than are lever actions. And people routinely manually rapid fire 30-30 lever actions.

The issue is fully-automatic fire. Even the AKM, firing a 7.62mm round designed to be used for an assault rifle, is considered sort of hard to control in full auto IIRC.

Do we know how good the recoil dampers are on the ACR?

 

[wellis]

The issue is fully-automatic fire. Even the AKM, firing a 7.62mm round designed to be used for an assault rifle, is considered sort of hard to control in full auto IIRC.

Do we know how good the recoil dampers are on the ACR?

With the use of the Cepheus Engine, and the ability to modify it as needed, I decided to simply let the OTU go its own way, while I set up an alternative universe with little to not connection to the OTU.

As to the timing, the OTU is all over the map depending on what rules edition you are using. Call it 1100, or you could call it 900 3rd Imperium Dating, or maybe back to Year Zero for the 3rd Imperium. I assume the use of the compact fusion plants, so probably not Year Zero, although if I use collapsium, I can get a pretty good compact fission plant going as an alternative power source. I still might use that regardless. It would make a nice compact power plant for vehicles, and you would not have to worry about refueling for about a year or so.

Edit Note: I do not think that anything I have planned for the Out Rim sector would conflict with my ideas as to what the rest of Known Space looks like.

True. But it seemed like your ideas there weren't any more disruptive and it seemed to fit with your setting more I'd say?

 

[Timerover51]

True. But it seemed like your ideas there weren't any more disruptive and it seemed to fit with your setting more I'd say?

It is Aramis' universe now, not mine. Ask him about it. I am gone.

 

[mike wightman]

I like what Timerover is doing with his setting. He is using the Traveller rules to build the setting he and his players want and enjoy gaming in.

 

[Timerover51]

I like what Timerover is doing with his setting. He is using the Traveller rules to build the setting he and his players want and enjoy gaming in.

As I said, it is Aramis' thread now, I am gone and will not make any more comments regarding what I am working on. I would like the thread locked.

 

[77topaz]

As I said, it is Aramis' thread now, I am gone and will not make any more comments regarding what I am working on. I would like the thread locked.

Really? You're just discarding your entire setting because one person made a slightly negative remark about it? I think that's blowing the issue out of proportion! Honestly, I wouldn't even have interpreted Aramis's comment as something negative, just constructive criticism. Constructive criticism is meant to encourage people to keep developing their work, you know?

I think you should keep working on your setting, and I don't think this thread should be locked - it provides a place to discuss it!

 

[Timerover51]

All pertinent information copied to a Pages file on my computer for safe-keeping. I did not realize that I had put together about 8 pages of background notes. Best to have it where I can use it off-line. It will be the basis for an introduction to a sector or sub-sector book. Now to find the thread with the El Paso data.

No more posting here.

 

[Timerover51]

For further information, see the thread in the Cepheus Engine General Forum.

http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=39544

That is, if you are interested.