General How often does mail arrive at the local Starport?

[aramis]

The fuel comment I made was intended to highlight that regular merchant traffic is unlikely to take the risks to travel to worlds with no refined fuel available. The scout/courier can make such trips with no issue.

Which begs the question of how C starport worlds attract civilian ships - they will suffer from unrefined fuel use eventually.

Only if one assumes that the lower port has none of the higher ratings features...

C ports would need all the B port facilities to be rated B; lacking any of them (banking, small craft construction, TAS Hostel, refined fuel) means it's still a C port. If Xyzzy for some reason loses it's TAS Hostel, TAS, at least, will list it as C.... it it has no yard, it might have all the others, but the IISS and IN will still list it as a C Port.

 

[Grav_Moped]

Think less "Amazon Prime" and more "Sears Roebuck and Co."

 

[kilemall]

Amazon's equivalent will, as Amazon is migrating to now, guarantee delivery times by owning ships in their area.
Also remember: ordering from J1 away is not 1 week... it's two weeks or more.
If you have X-mail between... assuming daily traffic (per TTA) figure a day to send, a day at recieve, but with 6-8 days, so we have to allow 8, warehouse time at the far end - a day? another 6-8 for the jump, another day for landing, another 1day for customs (probably special arrangements, so we'll use 1 day instead of 1-6 that is more typical)... and then a day to get it to you... 15 to 20 days for 1 jump away.

If no daily X-mail, add another 1-7 days.
If no X-mail... well...

But at least shipping is likely only about Cr2 per kilo (aggregation and the least kind assumptions about cargo and tonnage - assumptions incompatible with TTA...)
Plus the Cr10 for the XMail.

More likely for known demand the fruitcakes would already be on the way and warehoused to satisfy local demand.

Shop smart- shop StarMart.

 

[Condottiere]

Predictive purchasing programmes.

Or clairvoyant psychics.

 

[kilemall]

Predictive purchasing programmes.

Or clairvoyant psychics.

Paul Atreides, precog sales guru?

 

[Condottiere]

He has a captive market.

It's a drug that can't be replicated.

He has control of the sole supply.

There is little creativity required.

 

[mike wightman]

Only if one assumes that the lower port has none of the higher ratings features...

C ports would need all the B port facilities to be rated B; lacking any of them (banking, small craft construction, TAS Hostel, refined fuel) means it's still a C port. If Xyzzy for some reason loses it's TAS Hostel, TAS, at least, will list it as C.... it it has no yard, it might have all the others, but the IISS and IN will still list it as a C Port.

The lack of refined fuel makes it a C.

 

[McPerth]

The lack of refined fuel makes it a C.

Sure, but the opposite is not always true...

Lacking of shipyards able to make the annual overhaul also makes it a C starport, despite the availability of refined fuel.

Rules say unrefineds fuel aailability is guaranteed in a C starport, not that refined fuel lacking is also guaranteed. In fact, if only unrefined fuel is available, how much will it take for an entrepreneur to ser a fuel reffinery and buying the unrefinned fuel at Cr100 and selling it at Cr 500? I guess this would be quite profitable, if there's enough traffic (and it will probably increase once this is known). And it could even be overpriced, as being no guarantee for it, a bonus can be claimed for its availability...

 

[kilemall]

Sure, but the opposite is not always true...

Lacking of shipyards able to make the annual overhaul also makes it a C starport, despite the availability of refined fuel.

Rules say unrefineds fuel aailability is guaranteed in a C starport, not that refined fuel lacking is also guaranteed. In fact, if only unrefined fuel is available, how much will it take for an entrepreneur to ser a fuel reffinery and buying the unrefinned fuel at Cr100 and selling it at Cr 500? I guess this would be quite profitable, if there's enough traffic (and it will probably increase once this is known). And it could even be overpriced, as being no guarantee for it, a bonus can be claimed for its availability...

That was my understanding, that rating did not automatically mean unavailable, just not publicly available at standard rates or service levels.

It depends would be the watchword.

 

[mike wightman]

No.
The rules are very clear.

 

[mike wightman]

Show me where in the rules it says you can mix and match?
No refined fuel - you are class C or lower.

 

[Timerover51]

First, as this appears to be one of the points at issue, what is the difference between refined and unrefined fuel?

Second:

The beauty of CT LBB1-3 is that the ref is free to make such decisions for themselves.

Third, the Scout Base, if present, is very likely going to have refined fuel. While Scout Ships can used unrefined fuel, I suspect that the preference is for refined fuel if at all possible.

Fourth: This is why you have the Subsidized Merchant, to maintain regular communications with the interstellar community. If unrefined fuel is an issue, simply make the ships able to use unrefined fuel. Both the Scout Ship and the standard Free Trader use Jump Drive A. As far as I am concerned, the Free Trader should be able to use unrefined fuel like the Scout, and would likely have the need to do so.

 

[kilemall]

Show me where in the rules it says you can mix and match?
No refined fuel - you are class C or lower.

The starport IS that.

But it’s not necessarily the only game in town.

Private starports. Corporate shipyards and support facilities. Planetary bases. All requiring connections and/or favors to access.

At C and D starports I would expect some repair capability but short of parts or complete staffing.

 

[Condottiere]

So you have an onboard fuel processor, which are relatively quite cheap.

That kinda bestows a monopoly to corporations who have such equipped starships.

 

[Baroun Tardis]

Ok, then how do Subsidized Merchants with Mail Vaults factor in?

Xboats carry just data
So if you need to send objects...

 

[Baroun Tardis]

Amazon's equivalent will, as Amazon is migrating to now, guarantee delivery times by owning ships in their area.
Also remember: ordering from J1 away is not 1 week... it's two weeks or more.
If you have X-mail between... assuming daily traffic (per TTA) figure a day to send, a day at recieve, but with 6-8 days, so we have to allow 8, warehouse time at the far end - a day? another 6-8 for the jump, another day for landing, another 1day for customs (probably special arrangements, so we'll use 1 day instead of 1-6 that is more typical)... and then a day to get it to you... 15 to 20 days for 1 jump away.

If no daily X-mail, add another 1-7 days.
If no X-mail... well...

But at least shipping is likely only about Cr2 per kilo (aggregation and the least kind assumptions about cargo and tonnage - assumptions incompatible with TTA...)
Plus the Cr10 for the XMail.

Ya know, 15 to 20 days is really good compared to me buying stuff off Alibaba ....

 

[mike wightman]

So you have an onboard fuel processor, which are relatively quite cheap.

That kinda bestows a monopoly to corporations who have such equipped starships.

I was talking about a CT LBB1-3 universe with hardened military drives rather than purification plants.

The introduction of fuel purification plants marks another setting paradigm shift - there is no reason a cheap fuel purification plant could not be built at any starport type.

 

[kilemall]

I was talking about a CT LBB1-3 universe with hardened military drives rather than purification plants.

The introduction of fuel purification plants marks another setting paradigm shift - there is no reason a cheap fuel purification plant could not be built at any starport type.

In the case of planets, requires access to water. The planetary government may restrict access to water, unusually for religious or ecological reasons but maybe to intentionally keep the starport level down- or interfered with externally, deliberately to keep it that way.

 

[BackworldTraveller]

We seem to be headed off into an entirely separate topic...why traveller star-port classes aren't rational. For any planet with TL9+ and a halfway decent population, there are literally of hundreds of fusion plants on-world all of which want refined fuel. And if they don't have a halfway decent population, the first guy to realise that selling hydrogen is a profitable enterprise will do so. After all, you don't need to sell many dTons of fuel to pay for a small processor.

 

[infojunky]

We seem to be headed off into an entirely separate topic...why traveller star-port classes aren't rational. For any planet with TL9+ and a halfway decent population, there are literally of hundreds of fusion plants on-world all of which want refined fuel. And if they don't have a halfway decent population, the first guy to realise that selling hydrogen is a profitable enterprise will do so. After all, you don't need to sell many dTons of fuel to pay for a small processor.

Honestly if you read the early CT adventures the small fusion plants where perfectly happy with water...