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High Guard 2nd edition errata

Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
I've got a better question. Since I'm only able to locate (HG2:Page 28), that "fib" computers "resist" radiation damage, then I'll ask what "sort" of resistance this is referring to? Resistance is *not* immunity.

Can the "fib" backup be damaged/destroyed by a non-Radiation damage result?
Not on any of the damage results tables in HG1, HG2, or MT.
 
Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
I've got a better question. Since I'm only able to locate (HG2:Page 28), that "fib" computers "resist" radiation damage, then I'll ask what "sort" of resistance this is referring to? Resistance is *not* immunity.

Can the "fib" backup be damaged/destroyed by a non-Radiation damage result?
Not on any of the damage results tables in HG1, HG2, or MT.
 
Here's my interpretation:

The three "Computer-n" hits on the Interior Explosion table (in HG2) do damage to "fib" computers, since this is physical damage from the mesons decaying into high-energy particles.

Any computer ("fib" or otherwise) is knocked out by the "Computer destroyed" critical hit, no matter how the critical hit came to be rolled.

These interpretations are based on the following bits:

The "Computer-n" hit description says that "fib" computers only ignore hits on the Radiation Damage Table. So this makes "computer-n" hits on the Interior Explosion table valid against "fib" computers.

That same reading can be interpreted to extend to the "Computer Destroyed" result on the Critical Hit table, since the Critical Hit table is =not= the Radiation Damage table and "fib" computers only ignore damage done on the Radiation Damage table.

Also the description of "Computer Destroyed" hit does not mention any exception for "fib" computers, so it can be presumed to apply to any computer, no matter how the critical hit came to be rolled.

Finally, HG2 does say that any roll resulting from another roll (such as a critical hit resulting from a roll on the radiation damage table) is unmodified, which can (if you're desperate) be read to mean that the cause of the damage done on the second roll (the one resulting from the first roll) is independent of the cause of the first roll: i.e., just because "radiation" caused the critical hit roll doesn't mean that we must somehow interpret the damage done by the critical hit as also being from "radiation."
 
Here's my interpretation:

The three "Computer-n" hits on the Interior Explosion table (in HG2) do damage to "fib" computers, since this is physical damage from the mesons decaying into high-energy particles.

Any computer ("fib" or otherwise) is knocked out by the "Computer destroyed" critical hit, no matter how the critical hit came to be rolled.

These interpretations are based on the following bits:

The "Computer-n" hit description says that "fib" computers only ignore hits on the Radiation Damage Table. So this makes "computer-n" hits on the Interior Explosion table valid against "fib" computers.

That same reading can be interpreted to extend to the "Computer Destroyed" result on the Critical Hit table, since the Critical Hit table is =not= the Radiation Damage table and "fib" computers only ignore damage done on the Radiation Damage table.

Also the description of "Computer Destroyed" hit does not mention any exception for "fib" computers, so it can be presumed to apply to any computer, no matter how the critical hit came to be rolled.

Finally, HG2 does say that any roll resulting from another roll (such as a critical hit resulting from a roll on the radiation damage table) is unmodified, which can (if you're desperate) be read to mean that the cause of the damage done on the second roll (the one resulting from the first roll) is independent of the cause of the first roll: i.e., just because "radiation" caused the critical hit roll doesn't mean that we must somehow interpret the damage done by the critical hit as also being from "radiation."
 
Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> I've got a better question. Since I'm only able to locate (HG2:Page 28), that "fib" computers "resist" radiation damage, then I'll ask what "sort" of resistance this is referring to? Resistance is *not* immunity.

Can the "fib" backup be damaged/destroyed by a non-Radiation damage result?
Not on any of the damage results tables in HG1, HG2, or MT. </font>[/QUOTE]Two answers in one.

On the fib immunity, of course it was under Computer-n, and of course, I wasn't looking there. D'oh!

As for the fib section's otherwise apparently immunity to damage, why, I just stop buying the the rest of the computer and only install the fib part. That's a good savings in mass and energy, but much more so on the expense side.
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Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> I've got a better question. Since I'm only able to locate (HG2:Page 28), that "fib" computers "resist" radiation damage, then I'll ask what "sort" of resistance this is referring to? Resistance is *not* immunity.

Can the "fib" backup be damaged/destroyed by a non-Radiation damage result?
Not on any of the damage results tables in HG1, HG2, or MT. </font>[/QUOTE]Two answers in one.

On the fib immunity, of course it was under Computer-n, and of course, I wasn't looking there. D'oh!

As for the fib section's otherwise apparently immunity to damage, why, I just stop buying the the rest of the computer and only install the fib part. That's a good savings in mass and energy, but much more so on the expense side.
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Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> I've got a better question. Since I'm only able to locate (HG2:Page 28), that "fib" computers "resist" radiation damage, then I'll ask what "sort" of resistance this is referring to? Resistance is *not* immunity.

Can the "fib" backup be damaged/destroyed by a non-Radiation damage result?
Not on any of the damage results tables in HG1, HG2, or MT. </font>[/QUOTE]Two answers in one.

On the fib immunity, of course it was under Computer-n, and of course, I wasn't looking there. D'oh!

As for the fib section's otherwise apparently immunity to damage, why, I just stop buying the the rest of the computer and only install the fib part. That's a good saving in mass and energy, but much more so in expense.
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</font>[/QUOTE]I always read it that FIB computers were immune to the radiation table's computer crits, not the non-radiation crits...

and also that the FIB system wasn't actually a backup, but a larger, Fiber Optic Backbone, rather than Backup...
 
Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> I've got a better question. Since I'm only able to locate (HG2:Page 28), that "fib" computers "resist" radiation damage, then I'll ask what "sort" of resistance this is referring to? Resistance is *not* immunity.

Can the "fib" backup be damaged/destroyed by a non-Radiation damage result?
Not on any of the damage results tables in HG1, HG2, or MT. </font>[/QUOTE]Two answers in one.

On the fib immunity, of course it was under Computer-n, and of course, I wasn't looking there. D'oh!

As for the fib section's otherwise apparently immunity to damage, why, I just stop buying the the rest of the computer and only install the fib part. That's a good saving in mass and energy, but much more so in expense.
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</font>[/QUOTE]I always read it that FIB computers were immune to the radiation table's computer crits, not the non-radiation crits...

and also that the FIB system wasn't actually a backup, but a larger, Fiber Optic Backbone, rather than Backup...
 
Yeah, I'd go along with the "fib" backup being damaged/destroyed by IE-table rolls and criticals, however, it would only be after the main computer was destroyed.

In very large ship designs, I frequently stuck in an extra computer, or even two; usually, there was room for it.
 
Yeah, I'd go along with the "fib" backup being damaged/destroyed by IE-table rolls and criticals, however, it would only be after the main computer was destroyed.

In very large ship designs, I frequently stuck in an extra computer, or even two; usually, there was room for it.
 
Originally posted by Aramis:
I always read it that FIB computers were immune to the radiation table's computer crits, not the non-radiation crits...

and also that the FIB system wasn't actually a backup, but a larger, Fiber Optic Backbone, rather than Backup... [/QB]
That's how I read it: a "fib" computer is the same as a regular computer, but hardened against radiation. You can't just install the "fib" portion and not bother with the rest; it's all one machine.

You want a backup computer, install a second (third, fourth, etc) machine.

I like your interpretation of the "fib" acronym as "Fiber Optic Backbone." It makes more sense and prevents any fidgeting about "backups" and such.

Rain of Steel said:
Yeah, I'd go along with the "fib" backup being damaged/destroyed by IE-table rolls and criticals, however, it would only be after the main computer was destroyed.
I don't think they intended it to be read that way, Rain of Steel. I'm pretty sure that your main computer ("fib" or otherwise) is damaged by hits on the IE table.

Backup computers work as described in TCS p.15.
 
Originally posted by Aramis:
I always read it that FIB computers were immune to the radiation table's computer crits, not the non-radiation crits...

and also that the FIB system wasn't actually a backup, but a larger, Fiber Optic Backbone, rather than Backup... [/QB]
That's how I read it: a "fib" computer is the same as a regular computer, but hardened against radiation. You can't just install the "fib" portion and not bother with the rest; it's all one machine.

You want a backup computer, install a second (third, fourth, etc) machine.

I like your interpretation of the "fib" acronym as "Fiber Optic Backbone." It makes more sense and prevents any fidgeting about "backups" and such.

Rain of Steel said:
Yeah, I'd go along with the "fib" backup being damaged/destroyed by IE-table rolls and criticals, however, it would only be after the main computer was destroyed.
I don't think they intended it to be read that way, Rain of Steel. I'm pretty sure that your main computer ("fib" or otherwise) is damaged by hits on the IE table.

Backup computers work as described in TCS p.15.
 
Is there anyone out there who played in any Official Trillion Credit Squadron Tournaments?

If so can you remember if there were ever any rules clarifications given?
 
Is there anyone out there who played in any Official Trillion Credit Squadron Tournaments?

If so can you remember if there were ever any rules clarifications given?
 
That's something I never did. I don't recall any clarifications ever being published in JTAS, either.
 
That's something I never did. I don't recall any clarifications ever being published in JTAS, either.
 
Nope, me neither.
The only official errata appears to be using agility as a defensive DM on all attack tables (mentioned in Trillion Credit Squadron, and later printings of High Guard I believe).
 
Nope, me neither.
The only official errata appears to be using agility as a defensive DM on all attack tables (mentioned in Trillion Credit Squadron, and later printings of High Guard I believe).
 
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