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Explaining the Aslan conquest

Originally posted by Bill Cameron:
All that matters is what passes the plausibility test for YTU.

If you think it can work, than use it.
I was hoping for a bit of "well, what about...", in order to plug any obvious holes I missed.

One thing that I've never done is to really sit down and study the sequence of events in the emergence of the Rebellion factions. We have some dates, and some maps, and some TNS entries, but the process by which the various factions emerged is still a bit vague.

"Detailing", that is, making up(!) the sequence of events could potentially "fix" a lot of problems. How long did it take Norris to gain control of the whole Domain of Deneb? What did the Deneb sector Duke think about it all? What negotiations went on between him and Norris? How long did these take?

One of these days, I might write myself a proper timeline. It would be IMTU, of course, but it would be a fun exercise.
 
Originally posted by Bill Cameron:
All that matters is what passes the plausibility test for YTU.

If you think it can work, than use it.
I was hoping for a bit of "well, what about...", in order to plug any obvious holes I missed.

One thing that I've never done is to really sit down and study the sequence of events in the emergence of the Rebellion factions. We have some dates, and some maps, and some TNS entries, but the process by which the various factions emerged is still a bit vague.

"Detailing", that is, making up(!) the sequence of events could potentially "fix" a lot of problems. How long did it take Norris to gain control of the whole Domain of Deneb? What did the Deneb sector Duke think about it all? What negotiations went on between him and Norris? How long did these take?

One of these days, I might write myself a proper timeline. It would be IMTU, of course, but it would be a fun exercise.
 
Originally posted by Bill Cameron:
All that matters is what passes the plausibility test for YTU.

If you think it can work, than use it.
I was hoping for a bit of "well, what about...", in order to plug any obvious holes I missed.

One thing that I've never done is to really sit down and study the sequence of events in the emergence of the Rebellion factions. We have some dates, and some maps, and some TNS entries, but the process by which the various factions emerged is still a bit vague.

"Detailing", that is, making up(!) the sequence of events could potentially "fix" a lot of problems. How long did it take Norris to gain control of the whole Domain of Deneb? What did the Deneb sector Duke think about it all? What negotiations went on between him and Norris? How long did these take?

One of these days, I might write myself a proper timeline. It would be IMTU, of course, but it would be a fun exercise.
 
Originally posted by alanb:
How long did it take Norris to gain control of the whole Domain of Deneb? What did the Deneb sector Duke think about it all? What negotiations went no between him and Norris? How long did these take?
Alan,

Hans Rancke-Madsen is the man to answer these questions.

One thing to remember is that Norris had his Magic Electric Warrant. Just how far he could get waving around a galatic-sized carte blanche from a dead man is uncertain, but it must have still been good for something.

Another thing to remember is that the Delphine was still the Sector Duchess of the Marches and most likely senior to the Sector Duke of Deneb(1).

A third thing to remember is that, while Norris was able to 'forge' his promotion to Archduke ahead of the 'official' news of Strephon's assassination thanks to his being plugged into the faster of the Imperium's two communication systems, the Denebian nobility would have know about the assassination even before Norris did.

Norris may have gotten news of the Assassination along with a note from the Deneb Sector Duke saying something like:

"For the Imperium's and our people's sake do something! All hell is about to break loose and, with Strephon gone, the Delphine is next in line Behind the Claw. She nearly lost the war ten years ago and she hasn't gotten any better. I've consulted what few advisors and peers I've been able to reach on short notice and we all agree. Do what you feel is necessary and I'll back your play to the best of my ability. It might be time for the domain to have an Archduke."

YMMV and mine definitely does.


Have fun,
Bill

1 - Of course presuming that the Delphine's title is superior to the Denebian one. This has nothing to do with age.
 
Originally posted by alanb:
How long did it take Norris to gain control of the whole Domain of Deneb? What did the Deneb sector Duke think about it all? What negotiations went no between him and Norris? How long did these take?
Alan,

Hans Rancke-Madsen is the man to answer these questions.

One thing to remember is that Norris had his Magic Electric Warrant. Just how far he could get waving around a galatic-sized carte blanche from a dead man is uncertain, but it must have still been good for something.

Another thing to remember is that the Delphine was still the Sector Duchess of the Marches and most likely senior to the Sector Duke of Deneb(1).

A third thing to remember is that, while Norris was able to 'forge' his promotion to Archduke ahead of the 'official' news of Strephon's assassination thanks to his being plugged into the faster of the Imperium's two communication systems, the Denebian nobility would have know about the assassination even before Norris did.

Norris may have gotten news of the Assassination along with a note from the Deneb Sector Duke saying something like:

"For the Imperium's and our people's sake do something! All hell is about to break loose and, with Strephon gone, the Delphine is next in line Behind the Claw. She nearly lost the war ten years ago and she hasn't gotten any better. I've consulted what few advisors and peers I've been able to reach on short notice and we all agree. Do what you feel is necessary and I'll back your play to the best of my ability. It might be time for the domain to have an Archduke."

YMMV and mine definitely does.


Have fun,
Bill

1 - Of course presuming that the Delphine's title is superior to the Denebian one. This has nothing to do with age.
 
Originally posted by alanb:
How long did it take Norris to gain control of the whole Domain of Deneb? What did the Deneb sector Duke think about it all? What negotiations went no between him and Norris? How long did these take?
Alan,

Hans Rancke-Madsen is the man to answer these questions.

One thing to remember is that Norris had his Magic Electric Warrant. Just how far he could get waving around a galatic-sized carte blanche from a dead man is uncertain, but it must have still been good for something.

Another thing to remember is that the Delphine was still the Sector Duchess of the Marches and most likely senior to the Sector Duke of Deneb(1).

A third thing to remember is that, while Norris was able to 'forge' his promotion to Archduke ahead of the 'official' news of Strephon's assassination thanks to his being plugged into the faster of the Imperium's two communication systems, the Denebian nobility would have know about the assassination even before Norris did.

Norris may have gotten news of the Assassination along with a note from the Deneb Sector Duke saying something like:

"For the Imperium's and our people's sake do something! All hell is about to break loose and, with Strephon gone, the Delphine is next in line Behind the Claw. She nearly lost the war ten years ago and she hasn't gotten any better. I've consulted what few advisors and peers I've been able to reach on short notice and we all agree. Do what you feel is necessary and I'll back your play to the best of my ability. It might be time for the domain to have an Archduke."

YMMV and mine definitely does.


Have fun,
Bill

1 - Of course presuming that the Delphine's title is superior to the Denebian one. This has nothing to do with age.
 
FWIW, the way I try and spin the issues are these:

- There are no "Vargr Raiders". They are opportunistic nation-states attempting to militaristically expand. Corridor had no cohesion and was picked apart piece by piece. Deneb retain political cohesion and was able to stave off the attacks.

- The Aslan had two independent efforts going on. One was the ihatei. The other were actual clan maneuvers. More below.

- The shadowed areas on the Spinward Marches map included with MegaTraveller show the deepest penetration of Vargr and Aslan incursions. None of the territory in the Spinward Marches was ever actually conquered by anyone.

- Norris' power play was done with the knowledge of others, if not all of the others. Anyone who might object was cowed by the threat of the vast majority of their peers. Delphine probably saw right through the whole charade, but didn't have the political backing to challenge it. Instead she wisely chose to back down.

For the Aslan, there were lots of things going on.

First, ihatei did quickly move into Imperial territory. No, they never "attacked" anyone. And they completely avoided any world with a reasonable population. They simply moved on low- and no-population worlds and squatted, knowing the Domain was busy dealing with other issues.

Second, this includes the "neutral zone" between the Domain and the Aslan. Quite simply, the Aslan just moved in an annexed it all. The Domain was too busy to even try and stop it, so they just moved in and took over. Actually, if you look at the world government codes for most of those worlds, they just pledged fealty to the Aslan and were left alone. It is only the low- and no-population worlds that get complete taken over and assimilated as "true" Aslan worlds.

Third, some of the clans tried to expand militarily. Some clans attack the Floriani, but, after some initial success, they stalled. Others quickly wiped out and absorbed the Glorious Empire. Still others tried to attack the Imperium while the first two groups were busy doing the first two attacks.

The result of all of this freaked out the Duke of Tobia. Seeing the Aslan on the move, and the Domain completely preoccupied with the (in his mind) irrelevant Zhodani, he brokered his own deal with the Aslan, resulting in much of the Domain territory in the Trojan Reaches "joining" the Aslan.

Of course, this deal was completely unnecessary, as the anti-Imperial clans were going to have to pull back quickly, since the other war efforts were winding down, and they couldn't afford to have their naval assets away from home, leaving their homes wide open for the other unoccupied clans that were still on a war footing. However, the Duke was pissed at Norris for ignoring him, and he just panicked. Not rational, but, hey, he was human, after all.

Once Norris realized the Zhodani weren't going to do anything, he started to get his house in order. He helped solify the coreward and trailing borders, but those had mostly taken care of themselves. The Vargr were only a threat if the defenders were disorganized. The Denebian defenders were organized and coordinated.

Norris then moved on down to deal with the Aslan. He was forced to skip over the various ihatei to deal with the real problem of Tobia. When his war fleets showed up at Tobia demanding that the Duke surrender himself for arrest, he blows his own brains out. A replacement is appointed, and the Trojan Reaches territories fall back in line. The Aslan can't do anything about the betrayal, except whine.

Finally, he starts to deal with the ihatei. But, by that point, Virus starts to show up, and he is forced to cut deals so he can deal with the larger issues.

That's my take. Still has holes you can drive a Tigress through, but hopefully it makes more sense than the default story.
 
FWIW, the way I try and spin the issues are these:

- There are no "Vargr Raiders". They are opportunistic nation-states attempting to militaristically expand. Corridor had no cohesion and was picked apart piece by piece. Deneb retain political cohesion and was able to stave off the attacks.

- The Aslan had two independent efforts going on. One was the ihatei. The other were actual clan maneuvers. More below.

- The shadowed areas on the Spinward Marches map included with MegaTraveller show the deepest penetration of Vargr and Aslan incursions. None of the territory in the Spinward Marches was ever actually conquered by anyone.

- Norris' power play was done with the knowledge of others, if not all of the others. Anyone who might object was cowed by the threat of the vast majority of their peers. Delphine probably saw right through the whole charade, but didn't have the political backing to challenge it. Instead she wisely chose to back down.

For the Aslan, there were lots of things going on.

First, ihatei did quickly move into Imperial territory. No, they never "attacked" anyone. And they completely avoided any world with a reasonable population. They simply moved on low- and no-population worlds and squatted, knowing the Domain was busy dealing with other issues.

Second, this includes the "neutral zone" between the Domain and the Aslan. Quite simply, the Aslan just moved in an annexed it all. The Domain was too busy to even try and stop it, so they just moved in and took over. Actually, if you look at the world government codes for most of those worlds, they just pledged fealty to the Aslan and were left alone. It is only the low- and no-population worlds that get complete taken over and assimilated as "true" Aslan worlds.

Third, some of the clans tried to expand militarily. Some clans attack the Floriani, but, after some initial success, they stalled. Others quickly wiped out and absorbed the Glorious Empire. Still others tried to attack the Imperium while the first two groups were busy doing the first two attacks.

The result of all of this freaked out the Duke of Tobia. Seeing the Aslan on the move, and the Domain completely preoccupied with the (in his mind) irrelevant Zhodani, he brokered his own deal with the Aslan, resulting in much of the Domain territory in the Trojan Reaches "joining" the Aslan.

Of course, this deal was completely unnecessary, as the anti-Imperial clans were going to have to pull back quickly, since the other war efforts were winding down, and they couldn't afford to have their naval assets away from home, leaving their homes wide open for the other unoccupied clans that were still on a war footing. However, the Duke was pissed at Norris for ignoring him, and he just panicked. Not rational, but, hey, he was human, after all.

Once Norris realized the Zhodani weren't going to do anything, he started to get his house in order. He helped solify the coreward and trailing borders, but those had mostly taken care of themselves. The Vargr were only a threat if the defenders were disorganized. The Denebian defenders were organized and coordinated.

Norris then moved on down to deal with the Aslan. He was forced to skip over the various ihatei to deal with the real problem of Tobia. When his war fleets showed up at Tobia demanding that the Duke surrender himself for arrest, he blows his own brains out. A replacement is appointed, and the Trojan Reaches territories fall back in line. The Aslan can't do anything about the betrayal, except whine.

Finally, he starts to deal with the ihatei. But, by that point, Virus starts to show up, and he is forced to cut deals so he can deal with the larger issues.

That's my take. Still has holes you can drive a Tigress through, but hopefully it makes more sense than the default story.
 
FWIW, the way I try and spin the issues are these:

- There are no "Vargr Raiders". They are opportunistic nation-states attempting to militaristically expand. Corridor had no cohesion and was picked apart piece by piece. Deneb retain political cohesion and was able to stave off the attacks.

- The Aslan had two independent efforts going on. One was the ihatei. The other were actual clan maneuvers. More below.

- The shadowed areas on the Spinward Marches map included with MegaTraveller show the deepest penetration of Vargr and Aslan incursions. None of the territory in the Spinward Marches was ever actually conquered by anyone.

- Norris' power play was done with the knowledge of others, if not all of the others. Anyone who might object was cowed by the threat of the vast majority of their peers. Delphine probably saw right through the whole charade, but didn't have the political backing to challenge it. Instead she wisely chose to back down.

For the Aslan, there were lots of things going on.

First, ihatei did quickly move into Imperial territory. No, they never "attacked" anyone. And they completely avoided any world with a reasonable population. They simply moved on low- and no-population worlds and squatted, knowing the Domain was busy dealing with other issues.

Second, this includes the "neutral zone" between the Domain and the Aslan. Quite simply, the Aslan just moved in an annexed it all. The Domain was too busy to even try and stop it, so they just moved in and took over. Actually, if you look at the world government codes for most of those worlds, they just pledged fealty to the Aslan and were left alone. It is only the low- and no-population worlds that get complete taken over and assimilated as "true" Aslan worlds.

Third, some of the clans tried to expand militarily. Some clans attack the Floriani, but, after some initial success, they stalled. Others quickly wiped out and absorbed the Glorious Empire. Still others tried to attack the Imperium while the first two groups were busy doing the first two attacks.

The result of all of this freaked out the Duke of Tobia. Seeing the Aslan on the move, and the Domain completely preoccupied with the (in his mind) irrelevant Zhodani, he brokered his own deal with the Aslan, resulting in much of the Domain territory in the Trojan Reaches "joining" the Aslan.

Of course, this deal was completely unnecessary, as the anti-Imperial clans were going to have to pull back quickly, since the other war efforts were winding down, and they couldn't afford to have their naval assets away from home, leaving their homes wide open for the other unoccupied clans that were still on a war footing. However, the Duke was pissed at Norris for ignoring him, and he just panicked. Not rational, but, hey, he was human, after all.

Once Norris realized the Zhodani weren't going to do anything, he started to get his house in order. He helped solify the coreward and trailing borders, but those had mostly taken care of themselves. The Vargr were only a threat if the defenders were disorganized. The Denebian defenders were organized and coordinated.

Norris then moved on down to deal with the Aslan. He was forced to skip over the various ihatei to deal with the real problem of Tobia. When his war fleets showed up at Tobia demanding that the Duke surrender himself for arrest, he blows his own brains out. A replacement is appointed, and the Trojan Reaches territories fall back in line. The Aslan can't do anything about the betrayal, except whine.

Finally, he starts to deal with the ihatei. But, by that point, Virus starts to show up, and he is forced to cut deals so he can deal with the larger issues.

That's my take. Still has holes you can drive a Tigress through, but hopefully it makes more sense than the default story.
 
Originally posted by daryen:
That's my take. Still has holes you can drive a Tigress through, but hopefully it makes more sense than the default story.
Daryen,

Considering that the original story is nothing but holes, the fact that your take has holes too isn't important.

All that matters is whether it is plausible for YTU.


Have fun,
Bill
 
Originally posted by daryen:
That's my take. Still has holes you can drive a Tigress through, but hopefully it makes more sense than the default story.
Daryen,

Considering that the original story is nothing but holes, the fact that your take has holes too isn't important.

All that matters is whether it is plausible for YTU.


Have fun,
Bill
 
Originally posted by daryen:
That's my take. Still has holes you can drive a Tigress through, but hopefully it makes more sense than the default story.
Daryen,

Considering that the original story is nothing but holes, the fact that your take has holes too isn't important.

All that matters is whether it is plausible for YTU.


Have fun,
Bill
 
Originally posted by daryen:
- There are no "Vargr Raiders". They are opportunistic nation-states attempting to militaristically expand. Corridor had no cohesion and was picked apart piece by piece. Deneb retain political cohesion and was able to stave off the attacks.
That sounds fair.

One possibility that has occurred to me is that Corridor may have factionalised between Lucanite, Dulinorian, Vilani and (eventually) Denebite factions.

After all, it is obviously your duty as a loyal subject of His Imperial Majesty to destroy the Dulinorite traitors. And then the Vilani traitors.

Defence against the Vargr may well have been considered secondary to fighting the Vilani. And once you start running out of ships, you might end up having to call up sections of the planetary navies of loyal systems...

- The shadowed areas on the Spinward Marches map included with MegaTraveller show the deepest penetration of Vargr and Aslan incursions. None of the territory in the Spinward Marches was ever actually conquered by anyone.
That's a good scam. Works for me.

The result of all of this freaked out the Duke of Tobia. Seeing the Aslan on the move, and the Domain completely preoccupied with the (in his mind) irrelevant Zhodani, he brokered his own deal with the Aslan, resulting in much of the Domain territory in the Trojan Reaches "joining" the Aslan.
...
A replacement is appointed, and the Trojan Reaches territories fall back in line. The Aslan can't do anything about the betrayal, except whine.
Unfortunately here we run into TNE canon. Of course that's irrelevant for an MT game, or at least, only advisory in nature.

Still, it's as good an argument as any. I'm still personally attached to the idea of Trojan Reaches being relatively pro-Dulinor (and anti-Norris), but that could easily be mixed in. After all, people's motives are rarely simple, and we are really dealing with a faction, rather than a single individual here anyway. (The Duke of Tobia alone wouldn't have been calling the shots, whatever the formal situation. He would have had his "advisors", most notably his admirals...)
 
Originally posted by daryen:
- There are no "Vargr Raiders". They are opportunistic nation-states attempting to militaristically expand. Corridor had no cohesion and was picked apart piece by piece. Deneb retain political cohesion and was able to stave off the attacks.
That sounds fair.

One possibility that has occurred to me is that Corridor may have factionalised between Lucanite, Dulinorian, Vilani and (eventually) Denebite factions.

After all, it is obviously your duty as a loyal subject of His Imperial Majesty to destroy the Dulinorite traitors. And then the Vilani traitors.

Defence against the Vargr may well have been considered secondary to fighting the Vilani. And once you start running out of ships, you might end up having to call up sections of the planetary navies of loyal systems...

- The shadowed areas on the Spinward Marches map included with MegaTraveller show the deepest penetration of Vargr and Aslan incursions. None of the territory in the Spinward Marches was ever actually conquered by anyone.
That's a good scam. Works for me.

The result of all of this freaked out the Duke of Tobia. Seeing the Aslan on the move, and the Domain completely preoccupied with the (in his mind) irrelevant Zhodani, he brokered his own deal with the Aslan, resulting in much of the Domain territory in the Trojan Reaches "joining" the Aslan.
...
A replacement is appointed, and the Trojan Reaches territories fall back in line. The Aslan can't do anything about the betrayal, except whine.
Unfortunately here we run into TNE canon. Of course that's irrelevant for an MT game, or at least, only advisory in nature.

Still, it's as good an argument as any. I'm still personally attached to the idea of Trojan Reaches being relatively pro-Dulinor (and anti-Norris), but that could easily be mixed in. After all, people's motives are rarely simple, and we are really dealing with a faction, rather than a single individual here anyway. (The Duke of Tobia alone wouldn't have been calling the shots, whatever the formal situation. He would have had his "advisors", most notably his admirals...)
 
Originally posted by daryen:
- There are no "Vargr Raiders". They are opportunistic nation-states attempting to militaristically expand. Corridor had no cohesion and was picked apart piece by piece. Deneb retain political cohesion and was able to stave off the attacks.
That sounds fair.

One possibility that has occurred to me is that Corridor may have factionalised between Lucanite, Dulinorian, Vilani and (eventually) Denebite factions.

After all, it is obviously your duty as a loyal subject of His Imperial Majesty to destroy the Dulinorite traitors. And then the Vilani traitors.

Defence against the Vargr may well have been considered secondary to fighting the Vilani. And once you start running out of ships, you might end up having to call up sections of the planetary navies of loyal systems...

- The shadowed areas on the Spinward Marches map included with MegaTraveller show the deepest penetration of Vargr and Aslan incursions. None of the territory in the Spinward Marches was ever actually conquered by anyone.
That's a good scam. Works for me.

The result of all of this freaked out the Duke of Tobia. Seeing the Aslan on the move, and the Domain completely preoccupied with the (in his mind) irrelevant Zhodani, he brokered his own deal with the Aslan, resulting in much of the Domain territory in the Trojan Reaches "joining" the Aslan.
...
A replacement is appointed, and the Trojan Reaches territories fall back in line. The Aslan can't do anything about the betrayal, except whine.
Unfortunately here we run into TNE canon. Of course that's irrelevant for an MT game, or at least, only advisory in nature.

Still, it's as good an argument as any. I'm still personally attached to the idea of Trojan Reaches being relatively pro-Dulinor (and anti-Norris), but that could easily be mixed in. After all, people's motives are rarely simple, and we are really dealing with a faction, rather than a single individual here anyway. (The Duke of Tobia alone wouldn't have been calling the shots, whatever the formal situation. He would have had his "advisors", most notably his admirals...)
 
Originally posted by Bill Cameron:
All that matters is whether it is plausible for YTU.
Actually, in this case, I need it to work with the OTU, too. So, if I am absolutely violating canon (as opposed to just reinterpreting it), please point that out.
 
Originally posted by Bill Cameron:
All that matters is whether it is plausible for YTU.
Actually, in this case, I need it to work with the OTU, too. So, if I am absolutely violating canon (as opposed to just reinterpreting it), please point that out.
 
Originally posted by Bill Cameron:
All that matters is whether it is plausible for YTU.
Actually, in this case, I need it to work with the OTU, too. So, if I am absolutely violating canon (as opposed to just reinterpreting it), please point that out.
 
Originally posted by alanb:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />The result of all of this freaked out the Duke of Tobia. Seeing the Aslan on the move, and the Domain completely preoccupied with the (in his mind) irrelevant Zhodani, he brokered his own deal with the Aslan, resulting in much of the Domain territory in the Trojan Reaches "joining" the Aslan.
...
A replacement is appointed, and the Trojan Reaches territories fall back in line. The Aslan can't do anything about the betrayal, except whine.
Unfortunately here we run into TNE canon. Of course that's irrelevant for an MT game, or at least, only advisory in nature.</font>[/QUOTE]What TNE canon am I violating? A lot of these details I pulled from the MT information, but I don't remember seeing anything in the Regency Sourcebook.(This is not a challenge. It is a straight question. I really want to know.)

Keep in mind that I dispense with the whole "ihatei invasion" thing as utter nonsense. It was officiall called an "ihatei invasion" because that is what most Domain-ites saw, and the Domain did not want the populace to know that 1) there was a full-scale (if short-lived) Aslan invasion and 2) a major Domain world defected. Instead, the press talked about an "ihatei invasion" that "overwhelmed the Tobia subsector".

So, I am dealing with canon by saying they were intentional falsehoods covering up unpleasant truths.

Still, it's as good an argument as any. I'm still personally attached to the idea of Trojan Reaches being relatively pro-Dulinor (and anti-Norris), but that could easily be mixed in. After all, people's motives are rarely simple, and we are really dealing with a faction, rather than a single individual here anyway. (The Duke of Tobia alone wouldn't have been calling the shots, whatever the formal situation. He would have had his "advisors", most notably his admirals...)
Actually, if you give me permission, I might steal this. I have the primary factor in the dissatisfaction of the Trojan nobles being Norris' preoccupation with the theoretical Zhodani problem instead of the real Aslan problem. Throwing in conflicted allegiances would be a good thing to help with the dissatisfaction.

Please explain if you are willing to let me steal the ideas.

[And I know that there would have to be many in the navy and in the nobility that sign off on the defection. However, it is a convenient shorthand to just refer to the head instead of continuously mentioning the rest of the parade. Plus, the suicide allows Norris to sweep the others under the rug as long as they toe the line from then on.]
 
Originally posted by alanb:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />The result of all of this freaked out the Duke of Tobia. Seeing the Aslan on the move, and the Domain completely preoccupied with the (in his mind) irrelevant Zhodani, he brokered his own deal with the Aslan, resulting in much of the Domain territory in the Trojan Reaches "joining" the Aslan.
...
A replacement is appointed, and the Trojan Reaches territories fall back in line. The Aslan can't do anything about the betrayal, except whine.
Unfortunately here we run into TNE canon. Of course that's irrelevant for an MT game, or at least, only advisory in nature.</font>[/QUOTE]What TNE canon am I violating? A lot of these details I pulled from the MT information, but I don't remember seeing anything in the Regency Sourcebook.(This is not a challenge. It is a straight question. I really want to know.)

Keep in mind that I dispense with the whole "ihatei invasion" thing as utter nonsense. It was officiall called an "ihatei invasion" because that is what most Domain-ites saw, and the Domain did not want the populace to know that 1) there was a full-scale (if short-lived) Aslan invasion and 2) a major Domain world defected. Instead, the press talked about an "ihatei invasion" that "overwhelmed the Tobia subsector".

So, I am dealing with canon by saying they were intentional falsehoods covering up unpleasant truths.

Still, it's as good an argument as any. I'm still personally attached to the idea of Trojan Reaches being relatively pro-Dulinor (and anti-Norris), but that could easily be mixed in. After all, people's motives are rarely simple, and we are really dealing with a faction, rather than a single individual here anyway. (The Duke of Tobia alone wouldn't have been calling the shots, whatever the formal situation. He would have had his "advisors", most notably his admirals...)
Actually, if you give me permission, I might steal this. I have the primary factor in the dissatisfaction of the Trojan nobles being Norris' preoccupation with the theoretical Zhodani problem instead of the real Aslan problem. Throwing in conflicted allegiances would be a good thing to help with the dissatisfaction.

Please explain if you are willing to let me steal the ideas.

[And I know that there would have to be many in the navy and in the nobility that sign off on the defection. However, it is a convenient shorthand to just refer to the head instead of continuously mentioning the rest of the parade. Plus, the suicide allows Norris to sweep the others under the rug as long as they toe the line from then on.]
 
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