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Exciting new T5 novel: Fate of the Kinunir

Bought it but haven't looked at it yet. Moved it to the top of my reading pile.
I do have 4 other books by Robert E. Vardeman in my permeant library.
 
The next in the series is Shadow of the Storm, a novel set in the Solomani Confederation.

Written by, err, me.
 
It will be nice to have some Traveller fiction, if it's good.

I still like books. I don't like e-books and such. Even with my RPG stuff, I still buy hard copies.

FFE should consider partnering with a print on demand service like Lulu.
 
I suggest you read the sample pages available at the website and buy the book if you like them. Personally I didn't. Not only is Vardeman's picture of the Imperial Navy and the politics of the Marches just too contrary to my own views, but the writing seems appallingly bad to me.

The book seems very faithful to Adventure 1, which is not a compliment. It means it takes place in a Traveller universe that was superceded over 30 years ago, probably when someone realized how many ships the size of the Kinunir the average Traveller world could support (which is a LOT more than a handful per subsector!)

Also, the Imperial Navy appears to be picking its captains out of a hat. Commander Franks, the XO, doesn’t appear to be very competent, but Captain Telson shouldn’t be in charge of a wet navy garbage scow. In my not so humble opinion, of course. I admit that I may be biased by having read a LOT of Napoleonic War sea stories.

Fortunately, you don't have to take my word for any of this. As I said, the first 20% of the book is available for reading on the website, so go see for yourself.


Hans
 
I suggest you read the sample pages available at the website and buy the book if you like them. Personally I didn't. Not only is Vardeman's picture of the Imperial Navy and the politics of the Marches just too contrary to my own views, but the writing seems appallingly bad to me.

The book seems very faithful to Adventure 1, which is not a compliment. It means it takes place in a Traveller universe that was superceded over 30 years ago, probably when someone realized how many ships the size of the Kinunir the average Traveller world could support (which is a LOT more than a handful per subsector!)

Also, the Imperial Navy appears to be picking its captains out of a hat. Commander Franks, the XO, doesn’t appear to be very competent, but Captain Telson shouldn’t be in charge of a wet navy garbage scow. In my not so humble opinion, of course. I admit that I may be biased by having read a LOT of Napoleonic War sea stories.

Fortunately, you don't have to take my word for any of this. As I said, the first 20% of the book is available for reading on the website, so go see for yourself.


Hans

Gee Rancke, great support for future Traveller novelists there..... :rolleyes:
Let's be honest, it would take many novelists to bring out a Traveller novel that all Travellers will like. Why? Because everyone has there own ideas about the universe. Not even Marc can satisfy the amazingly detailed demands of all Travellers. For the price, I think it's a bargain and I've always enjoyed the previous Traveller novels. Personally I read Traveller novels on the basis of approaching the Traveller universe fresh, not as 'my' Traveller universe, that way you can enjoy it from someone elses point of view instead of thinking your own is the only way the Traveller universe should or shouldn't be. A source book on the other hand is another matter entirely, but this is a novel. A story to enjoy.
 
Gee Rancke, great support for future Traveller novelists there..... :rolleyes:
I was more concerned with advising potential readers. When people ask me how I like a book, I tend to try to answer their question honestly.

Let's be honest, it would take many novelists to bring out a Traveller novel that all Travellers will like. Why? Because everyone has there own ideas about the universe. Not even Marc can satisfy the amazingly detailed demands of all Travellers.

So if I'm one of the people who don't like this particular one, what do you suggest I do? Lie? Not answer the question?

For the price, I think it's a bargain and I've always enjoyed the previous Traveller novels.
Whereas I wouldn't finish it if I got it for free. I guess our opinions differ.

Personally I read Traveller novels on the basis of approaching the Traveller universe fresh, not as 'my' Traveller universe, that way you can enjoy it from someone elses point of view instead of thinking your own is the only way the Traveller universe should or shouldn't be. A source book on the other hand is another matter entirely, but this is a novel. A story to enjoy.

Oh, I wouldn't have minded a different Traveller universe if it worked. This one doesn't. And you seem to overlook my opinion of the writing itself. Which, as I wrote, I consider appallingly bad. Vardeman is a professional writer, but you couldn't prove it by this book.


Hans
 
Vardeman is a professional writer, but you couldn't prove it by this book.


Hans

Three chapters in (O.o) I'm trying to reserve judgement until I finish it.

The cover's quite nice...

It has provided me with a new sig, at least for the time being.
 
Gee Rancke, great support for future Traveller novelists there..... :rolleyes:


Writers get the support they earn and, going by the free sample, in this instance this author has not earned my support.

My many problems with what I read in the sample have nothing to do with my "take" on the OTU, or the seeming "proto-Traveller" nature of the book. My many problems with what I read in the sample have everything to do with the quality of the writing however. To quote Dorothy Parker:

“This is not a novel to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force.”

I'm not going to read a book simply because there's a Traveller label on it and I'm not going to buy a book in the hopes that the author will do better next time.
 
Writers get the support they earn and, going by the free sample, in this instance this author has not earned my support.

My many problems with what I read in the sample have nothing to do with my "take" on the OTU, or the seeming "proto-Traveller" nature of the book. My many problems with what I read in the sample have everything to do with the quality of the writing however. To quote Dorothy Parker:

“This is not a novel to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force.”

I'm not going to read a book simply because there's a Traveller label on it and I'm not going to buy a book in the hopes that the author will do better next time.

On that note, I think there's just a lot of Travellers who don't want to buy anything more at all, but that doesn't support Traveller. It's a shame that some people are not liking the book, it would have been nice to have received comments like that from people who have actually read the whole book before passing an instant judgment. Also on the negative note, those who believe they know 'GOOD' writing should put there money where there mouth is and write a novel themselves some time. Anyone can put something down, the best of humanity take the opportunity to do something even better. If it's not up to your standard, I'd love to read what yours is.
There's not enough Traveller novels as it is.
 
THERE IT IS 'OPINION'. Someone else's honest opinion might be that it's a great story. Either way, it's just an opinion.

Oh, I agree. There's no accounting for taste. :D

Seriously, though. Of course it's just an opinion. Which is precisely what I assumed the OP was asking for.

Have you read it? What's your opinion?


Hans
 
On that note, I think there's just a lot of Travellers who don't want to buy anything more at all, but that doesn't support Traveller.


I've been supporting Traveller since the Carter Administration. My support, however, is neither automatic nor mindless.

When a Traveller product is wretched and this "book" is most definitely wretched, I say as much. In the long run, honest opinions are more important than knee-jerk adulation.

It's a shame that some people are not liking the book, it would have been nice to have received comments like that from people who have actually read the whole book before passing an instant judgment.

An instant judgment? My judgment was not an instant one and was based on reading a forty-plus page sample.

That sample, by the way, was provided in order to "tease" me into buying the rest of the book and it accomplished the exact opposite.

Just how bad is the book? I'll leave aside the frankly lousy "nuts & bolts" of the so-called author's writing abilities and just detail a few of the many idiocies found in just 40 pages of the narrative.
  • Despite being capable of jump4, the Kinunir takes four weeks to travel to Moughas from Regina.
  • Despite there being a naval base on Paya four parsecs away, the Admiralty sends a ship from 7 parsec distant Regina to investigate reports of a pirate base in the Keng system.
  • Before begin deployed, Telson, the Kinuinir's captain, sees his long time XO promoted out of the ship, a unknown officer, Franks, with no shipboard experience appointed in their place, and an unknown computer program installed aboard his ship. Despite that, Telson waits FOUR WEEKS before bothering to ask or learn about Franks or the computer program. The program, the AI which will attempt to kill the players in A:1, even sends the Kininur to General Quarters for spurious reasons FOUR TIMES Telson bothers to quiz Franks about it's abilities.
  • Telson "knows" Franks has little shipboard experience because long term spacers "... sported darkened complexions from the inevitable radiation leakage off the fusion engines" and lacks "...deep space weathered skin..."
  • When Kinunir begins thrusting at 4gees to respond to a yacht's distress call, the wonky AI limits inertial compensation to 2gees. The crew takes their blue acceleration pills - like something out of the 1930s - while Telson admires the marine captain's ability to stand up under 2gees thrust on the deck by the airlock. Of course, the Kinunir's decks are parallel to her line of thrust so the marine captain, if he his going to be standing, will be doing so on a bulkhead.

I could on and on. Not a single page goes by with some absolutely idiotic description by the author or moronic action by his characters. For example, Telson, who allegedly such a superb tactician he's due to teach at the War College, handles his ship so poorly in a fight with a corsair that he thrusts for nearly 9 hours at 4gees and must then take hours to decelerate to effect a rendezvous with the yacht. Then, further insulting our intelligence, the ship's pinnace, despite having the same vector as the Kinunir prior to launch, can somehow effect a rendezvous in a trivial amount of time. The battle itself turns thirty years of Traveller ship combat inside out with lasers better than missiles at long range, particle accelerators nearly useless, missiles that somehow "spiral", and several other absurdities.

Also on the negative note, those who believe they know 'GOOD' writing should put there money where there mouth is and write a novel themselves some time.

That old fallacy? Really? You must be Nijinksy before you critique dance? Gershwin before you can critique composition? Turner before you can critique painting? Welles before you can critique film? That's your sorry ass defense of this crap?

SHIT is SHIT and you don't need a degree to recognize it.

Anyone can put something down...

And, sadly, that's what was done in this case.

... the best of humanity take the opportunity to do something even better.

And, sadly, that's what was not done in this case.

There's not enough Traveller novels as it is.

No. There are not enough novels worthy of Traveller as it is.

This novel is nothing but shit, formulaic, fill-in-the-blank, mail-it-in shit which cannot even be bothered to acknowledge its own setting. It doesn't even reach the Young Adult Fiction level the TNE novels did. Once again, a novel has failed to do this grand old game justice.

Once again, I am embarrassed that a novel is associated with Traveller.

Martin Dougherty has written some great short fiction for T20 and I'm very much looking forward to his Traveller novel later this year.
 
THERE IT IS 'OPINION'. Someone else's honest opinion might be that it's a great story. Either way, it's just an opinion.


There are opinions and then there are opinions.

Some opinions are informed and honest. Some opinions are nothing more than pom-pom waving boosterism.

Opinions which honestly raise flaws and faults provide people with the knowledge they need to grow and get better.

Opinions which are automatic adulation provide people with lies so they can never grow and get better.

Traveller doesn't need fiction at any price. Fiction which is childish, fiction which is internally illogical, fiction which insults the reader's intelligence is not good for Traveller.

Traveller needs good fiction, fiction which intrigues the reader about the game and setting.
 
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If it's not up to your standard, I'd love to read what yours is.

Poul Anderson, Isaac Asimov, Lois Bujold, Sprague de Camp, A. Bertram Chandler, Jo Clayton, C.J. Cherryh, Hal Clement, Alan Dean Foster, Keith Laumer, Murray Leinster, Larry Niven, James H. Schmitz, Jack Vance, and David Weber, among others.


Hans
 
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