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Exciting new T5 novel: Fate of the Kinunir

I am not against bad reviews but I will say the tone of these reviews leave a lot to be desired. People work hard to come up with rules, or novels and when reviewed they deserve respect for trying. Using force and anger in review does not help those who read them nor the writer of the book.

I also want to talk a bit about audience and rpg books in general. RPG novels come with high exceptions for the world building because every player has their view of the world. To criticize an rpg novel because it doesn't fit your campaign view is just going to increase your stress level. If you expect Traveller novels to fit your view I suggest you do not bother with them at all or write your own.
 
A lot of my PBEM universe is based on stuff by Hemdian and Hans. Hemdian has written a Traveller Novel and

Almost. I have 70K words written and I'm aiming for just under 100K words when finished (managed to add another 2643 words this weekend). I'm trying to keep it as close to canon as possible. I hope you guys like it when it's done.
 
I am not against bad reviews but I will say the tone of these reviews leave a lot to be desired.

FotK leaves a lot to be desired.

People work hard to come up with rules, or novels and when reviewed they deserve respect for trying.

Respect for trying? This isn't grammar school and you don't get a gold star just for trying.

Using force and anger in review does not help those who read them nor the writer of the book.

Anger? Try disgust instead. Disgust and incredulous shock when someone actually enjoyed the sample.

I also gave specific examples where the so-called author failed miserably. If that doesn't help, what will?

To criticize an rpg novel because it doesn't fit your campaign view is just going to increase your stress level.

My critique had nothing to do with the so-called author's grasp of canonical trivia. I wasn't calling him for not knowing Strephon's middle name or how many toes a groat has. I called him out for writing an absolutely awful novel that exhibits no internal logic or narrative unity, an absolutely awful novel that features characters which are both morons and cardboard cut-outs, and an absolutely awful novel which depicts a space battle that completely ignores basic physics.

You want some more actual examples? How about...
  • Telson is shown writing a textbook on tactics on paper. He's drawing tactical diagrams on paper too. It's the 57th Century, he's supposedly writing about and diagramming ship tactics in a three dimensional environment, and he's writing it all on paper.
  • Telson mulls over having the marines in the boarding party kill everyone aboard the yacht. Why? Because the Marquis of Boughene is aboard and dealing with "royalty" can be so difficult. Telson also considers having the marines kill his new XO, Franks, at the same time. She's been difficult too it seems. He eventually decides not to because someone may talk.

The depiction of the battle between the Kinunir, yacht, and corsair is an incoherent mess and an insult to the reader's intelligence. Among many other things, the author couldn't be bothered to remember from one paragraph to the next that vector movement is involved.

First, Kinunir spends eight hours at 4gees reaching the location of the fight between the yacht and corsair. In those eight hours the corsair doesn't manage to do a damn thing. In that entire time, it neither knocks out the yacht or detects Kinunir.

Next, Telson, the alleged tactical genius, doesn't fire on the corsair until after his vessel passes between the it and the yacht and begins to decelerate. He has weapons whose ranges measure in light-seconds, he's closing at a huge velocity which will limit his engagement period, and yet waits until he's zipped past his target. Once Kinunir's attack begins, the few remaining shreds of coherence in the text goes right out the airlock as what I can only assume to be authorial Alzheimer's sets in.

Next, Telson orders Kinunir to take a position between the corsair and yacht, this despite the huge vector built up during her eight hour 4gee dash. The corsair then somehow lays in a course towards one of the gas giant's moons, next tries to work around the Kinunir so it can shoot at the yacht, and then tries to escape once more. During all this, the gas giant's rings are in the way whenever the author happens to remember them.

While all that is going on, Kinunir's pinnace is launched and - surprise - somehow doesn't have the same huge vector it's parent vessel does. The pinnace is able to rendezvous with the yacht after relatively few maneuvers.

During the battle, Kinunir apparently has to aim herself in order to aim any of her weapons. She rolls over to aim her missile battery, for example, because the launcher need to be pointed at the corsair. Missiles don't maneuver apparently. After rolling over, it's decided not to use missiles as it would be a "waste of explosives".

The gas giant's rings make an appearance again as they prevent the use of Kinunir's particle accelerators and limit the effect of her lasers. The author remembers vector movement again too when, and unlike Kinunir's pinnace, the corsair's missiles are adversely effected by their launching vessel's vector. Kinunir's PAs easily destroy the corsair's missiles because, apparently, the gas giant's rings have gone away again.

If you think I'm making this all up or even exaggerating, I strongly suggest that you download the free sample and read it for yourself. The battle scene is basically incoherent.
 
The ship is capable of jump 4, but takes double the time it should take, then mention the AI is faulty and has doubled the time taken to accelerate. Could that be a reason? (Page 10 of the CT adventure 01 The Kinunir does clearly list the specs).


Are you serious? The jump drive isn't working properly thanks to the AI or some other reason and Telson doesn't return to port? Does that make any sense to you?

Surely the captain was busy and once the ship is in jump, would there not be a myriad of military broo ha ha to contend with during that time? Fare point though and surely when the jump took longer than normal that would have registered.

So he took four weeks teaching everyone how to salute properly before he decided to learn about his new executive officer and the computer program she installed? Seriously? Does that make any sense to you?

You're so desperately trying to polish this turd that your "explanations" are as bad as the flaws you're trying to fix.

Some people like Reggae, others like Funk. So to with writing.

This isn't a question of liking one genre over another. This is a question of calling a turd a turd.

Hey at the end of the day, if isn't anything close to what you feel is a REAL Traveller novel...

It's not that FotK isn't close to being a real Traveller novel. It's that FotK isn't close to being a real anything novel. The book could about anything and it would still be godawful.

Ultimately all I'm saying is what incentive does the author have to write something better, if no one supports the early work?

This isn't early work. Vardeman been writing for decades, most likely longer than you've been alive. He was nominated for a fan writer Nebula in 1972 for Christ's sake. He's pumped out fan-fic books for Trek and various fantasy computer games, he has a number of books stand alone books and the all-to-usual trilogies in several genres.

This isn't his first attempt at writing.
 
Describe in single words only the good things that come into your mind about your XO.

Telson mulls over having the marines in the boarding party kill everyone aboard the yacht. Why? Because the Marquis of Boughene is aboard and dealing with "royalty" can be so difficult. Telson also considers having the marines kill his new XO, Franks, at the same time. She's been difficult too it seems. He eventually decides not to because someone may talk.

That was one of my 'favourite' bits too, made especially creepy as Telson was perving over Franks a few pages earlier.

"He shook himself and looked away. Relations among officers weren’t unheard of, though he avoided it for the sake of discipline."

Though I was impressed that Telson estimated the Marine Captain, Lefalle, would execute the occupants of the yacht "without question".

His next Psych-Eval should be a laugh riot.


(I did buy the book, sample unread, and have just passed the half way mark.)
 
That was one of my 'favourite' bits too, made especially creepy as Telson was perving over Franks a few pages earlier.


Creepy is definitely the word, brother. Telson is bitching at Franks in the computer compartment one sentence and musing about how her eyes remind him of Regina's skies the next sentence. Comparing Franks to her great-uncle's favorite testicle, as the smooth talking Telson does in both the book and your sig, might just his version of pillow talk.

How did you like the part where Telson could see Frank's heart fluttering beneath her tunic? I guess our tactical genius has x-ray vision too. ;)

Though I was impressed that Telson estimated the Marine Captain, Lefalle, would execute the occupants of the yacht "without question". His next Psych-Eval should be a laugh riot.

You know, having the Imperial Navy full of psychotic, perverted, moronic, douchebags who are ready to instantly butcher people who inconvenience them - you know, people like Telson - would explain quite a bit about the Rebellion...

(I did buy the book, sample unread, and have just passed the half way mark.)

Shame you didn't read the sample first. While the money you lost isn't much, you'll never get back the time.

For curiosity's sake, how does the whole enchilada come across? Does it fall to the fantastically awful depths of The Eye of Argon or "Plan 9 From Outer Space"? Or does is it just another lump of ordinary shit?
 
For curiosity's sake, how does the whole enchilada come across? Does it fall to the fantastically awful depths of The Eye of Argon or "Plan 9 From Outer Space"? Or does is it just another lump of ordinary shit?

I'll let you know when I'm done.

To be honest though, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't being entertained. Not good wholesome entertainment you understand, but the voyeuristic reality TV style entertainment of say Jersey Shore.

Imagining Captain Telson as Commander J.J. Adams from Forbidden Planet while giving him the delivery of Lieutenant Frank Drebin from Police Squad! helps.

I miss Leslie Nielsen.
 
Yes, it's at the end of 'Fate Of The Kinunir' as a promo splurge.

The author is Martin J. Dougherty of the Disaspora Phoenix novel(that I've just learned about but available on DTRPG for $5.99 ).
 
I'm tempted to do a chapter by chapter review that highlights scientific inaccuracies and setting inconsistencies.

If MWM has endorsed this book as being canonical then it is going to re-define the OTU.

Stuff I've noticed so far:

cold fusion power plants

radiation leakage from fusion engines that cause skin to tan

maneuver drives that have an exhaust that can burn stuff off a hull

force fields to keep out cosmic radiation

anti-matter rocks that interfere with sensors

10 cm frequency electromagnetic radiation

a magic g tolerance pill that causes muscles to relax
 
I'm tempted to do a chapter by chapter review that highlights scientific inaccuracies and setting inconsistencies.

If MWM has endorsed this book as being canonical then it is going to re-define the OTU.

Stuff I've noticed so far:

cold fusion power plants

radiation leakage from fusion engines that cause skin to tan

maneuver drives that have an exhaust that can burn stuff off a hull

force fields to keep out cosmic radiation

anti-matter rocks that interfere with sensors

10 cm frequency electromagnetic radiation

a magic g tolerance pill that causes muscles to relax
That's BLUE magic g tolerance pills :)

Go for it Mike, everyone else is going to have fun bagging it out, so by all means have fun picking it to pieces.
In the meantime I think I'll just put up the promo blurb for the next novel in the series, that will hopefully turn the tide of errors and zero editing.

Who would have thought that a novel would get an errata(looks like it's going to be a rather large one going by the next 50 pages too).

Never the less I'm still having fun with the story and following along with the Traveller map while like yourselves discovering all the errors. (Was there even a spell check done on this novel? It's almost like they released the wrong file).
 
I never said I didn't like the story - I've read much worse, and some of it even matches how I pictured the Imperium back when we only had A:1 and LBB:4 to go by.

It does beg this question though; has MWM produced a setting bible that authors have to stick to or are we going to get a different OTU with every novel?
 
There is a 'canon publications list' and a fiction guide that places certain things off-limits, such as introducing a species of magic rainbow-spitting hydra unicorns. Which is a shame, because I wanted to do just that.
 
I'll let you know when I'm done.


Thanks for taking the bullet for all of us.

To be honest though, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't being entertained. Not good wholesome entertainment you understand, but the voyeuristic reality TV style entertainment of say Jersey Shore. Imagining Captain Telson as Commander J.J. Adams from Forbidden Planet while giving him the delivery of Lieutenant Frank Drebin from Police Squad! helps.

Great googly-moogly! You may have just solved the mystery of Fate of the Kinunir! I never even suspected that the book might be postmodern.

The book was never serious effort at writing a piece of straight Traveller fiction. Vardeman didn't type it out in between searching for the TV remote, scratching off lottery tickets, watching Matlock, ranting about the price of postage stamps, or driving to Denny's for the Early Bird special with his turn signal on the entire time.

Instead, Vardeman wrote it as a deliberate pastiche. It's a send up of science fiction and social commentary on the current state of publishing. Much like Atlanta Nights or Naked Came The Stranger, the book was meant to see how many people would be fooled and how many people would "get" the joke.

Well played, Mr. Vardeman, well played.

I miss Leslie Nielsen.

You aren't alone. :(
 
If MWM has endorsed this book as being canonical then it is going to re-define the OTU.

Stuff I've noticed so far:

cold fusion power plants
.
.
.

I don't know about the book, but I'm certainly finding this thread entertaining! :)

This one I don't get. What's wrong with those? :confused:

Cold Fusion is Canon in both T4 & T5 (some form of it is the basis for Fusion Plus). So that should not be a problem with the book, unless the Main Power Plant for the ship is Cold Fusion (Cold Fusion Modules in Traveller are too small for powering Starship-grade M-Drives & J-Drives).

(I haven't actually read any Traveller Novels, so other than the comment above I do not really have an opinion on Traveller Fiction).
 
Liking this thread and still not hating the book.

I played mainly lbbs along with The Traveller Adventure. I am not familiar with it being well known that spacers have sun tans and whatnot.

I do like the fact that the captain considers having the entire crew of the yacht along with Franks. By the sound of this thread I think some dissenters would space poor Vardeman without a second thought.

Also off topic, did MJD appear on an episode of Triggers?
 
Almost. I have 70K words written and I'm aiming for just under 100K words when finished (managed to add another 2643 words this weekend). I'm trying to keep it as close to canon as possible. I hope you guys like it when it's done.

Hi Hemdian

I'm excited to hear that you are working on a Traveller novel.
Do you have an approximate release date yet?
 
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