Emergency low berth question.
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Major B
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I would guess all at the same time just because the capacity is ten per ton. That doesn't leave a lot of extra space for a carousel.
A Low Berth for one takes half of that volume which I (again, guessing) think gives more reliable results due to better monitoring and resuscitation equipment.
pendragonman
Absent Friends Margrave
Emergency lows would be for mass casualties or a ship with LS failing. All the casualties would happen at once, or all the crew would be freezing themselves to avoid oxygen deprivation. So everyone into the freezer at the same time.
Remember, emergency low is different than a medical low birth. Medical low for some guy with wicked health issues (like lethal ingestion of plasma round) would be a singleton. 7-9 people falling potentially fatally ill with the Boratsian Flu would go in the mass freezer until the vaccine is available.
Vladika
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I've always gone with the "all at once or you are out of luck" theory.
In CT the regular low berth is good to use as an acceleration couch for brief periods of time.
What about the ELB? I'm not suggesting any protracted time but I've always used a BRIEF transition when used in a lifeboat situation. Everybody heads to the lifeboat, jumps in a 4 person ELB in their order of arrival. Forth one in and the lid goes down.
However, when the lifeboat launches, how long can several people actually live outside the lowberth without overloading the smallcraft life support?
I've allowed up to an hour, but usually only minutes, for time from an emergency launch to "lids down". I've never seen a ruling on this and have begun to wonder.
Originally the question was as T5 but aramis raised the CT issue (quite appropriately as there should be no real difference).
In CT the regular low berth is good to use as an acceleration couch for brief periods of time.
What about the ELB? I'm not suggesting any protracted time but I've always used a BRIEF transition when used in a lifeboat situation. Everybody heads to the lifeboat, jumps in a 4 person ELB in their order of arrival. Forth one in and the lid goes down.
However, when the lifeboat launches, how long can several people actually live outside the lowberth without overloading the smallcraft life support?
I've allowed up to an hour, but usually only minutes, for time from an emergency launch to "lids down". I've never seen a ruling on this and have begun to wonder.
Originally the question was as T5 but aramis raised the CT issue (quite appropriately as there should be no real difference).
This is interesting. I agree that everybody should go in at the same time. And comparing tonnages I'd assume the emergency low berth has one "chilling" mechanism that freezes everybody at the same time.
But.
Are they all in one compartment or in individual cells/tubes/capsules?
We're not given specifics about revival rolls in T5. If every character makes an individual survival roll does that mean you could thaw/revive individuals in an ELB and leave the other occupants under? Surely that implies some separation? [EDIT] The equipment chapter say all four share the revival roll.
If the ELB fails everyone dies but surely there are good medical and hygiene reasons to keep occupants separate. What if you wake up next to a dead man, or what if two people touching get frozen, will there be tissue damage?
But.
Are they all in one compartment or in individual cells/tubes/capsules?
We're not given specifics about revival rolls in T5. If every character makes an individual survival roll does that mean you could thaw/revive individuals in an ELB and leave the other occupants under? Surely that implies some separation? [EDIT] The equipment chapter say all four share the revival roll.
If the ELB fails everyone dies but surely there are good medical and hygiene reasons to keep occupants separate. What if you wake up next to a dead man, or what if two people touching get frozen, will there be tissue damage?
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In the course of researching airlocks I've come across the following in the ACCOMMODATIONS table on p347.
As MajorB states the listing here says: Emergency Low Berth 1ton contains 10 individuals.
But.
The listing in the ThingMaker Equipment chapter p625 says an ELB has a capacity of 4 persons who share the same revival task roll.
Cross posting this to the Errata thread.
As MajorB states the listing here says: Emergency Low Berth 1ton contains 10 individuals.
But.
The listing in the ThingMaker Equipment chapter p625 says an ELB has a capacity of 4 persons who share the same revival task roll.
Cross posting this to the Errata thread.
I go with individual compartments for ELB - its more than just a freezing chamber - each individual needs hookups, etc.
The compartments, however, are all run off one control and power system which is the reason for the volume savings - so operation is based on all compartments at the same time.
IMTU
Emergency low berths and extreme-g acceleration 'couches' submerge the body and fill the lungs with breathable liquid (ala perfluorocarbon stuff).
This allows much better regulation than gases - and, more importantly - provides G-force protection. A water filled 'g-suit' can support over 10Gs (upto around 20Gs, IIRC) .. fill the lungs with liquid as well and the sky's the limit!
[Well, actually human body chemistry based on water is 'the limit'-ing factor - the liquid inside and out would need to be near the density of water. IMTU, I use blood transfusion with a higher density blood substitute and a SWAG of 30Gs~40Gs max.]
The compartments, however, are all run off one control and power system which is the reason for the volume savings - so operation is based on all compartments at the same time.
IMTU
Emergency low berths and extreme-g acceleration 'couches' submerge the body and fill the lungs with breathable liquid (ala perfluorocarbon stuff).
This allows much better regulation than gases - and, more importantly - provides G-force protection. A water filled 'g-suit' can support over 10Gs (upto around 20Gs, IIRC) .. fill the lungs with liquid as well and the sky's the limit!
[Well, actually human body chemistry based on water is 'the limit'-ing factor - the liquid inside and out would need to be near the density of water. IMTU, I use blood transfusion with a higher density blood substitute and a SWAG of 30Gs~40Gs max.]
Vladika
SOC-14 1K
This will only work well with the "couch" being a tank and rigidly attached to a solid immovable structure. Otherwise you just have "water in skin" and the "water out of skin but in a skin bag (Suit)". In addition, the fluid in the tank needs to completely fill the tank. (Otherwise you get "surface effect" problems varying the moment of inertia.) This is very serious. This of course assumes you are going beyond Travellers magic inertial dampers capacity in Gs.
Well thought out!
Yes - all couches are firmly attached to the deck IMTU, and the 'extreme-g' ones encapsulate the user (in advance of need).
I use that for up to 6G. The liquid stuff is for 'over-G' situations - possible IMTU using different and supplementary propulsion (such as for fighters to exceed gravitic limits) - and exotic tech.
For ELB and other situations, the assumption is that there is likely no power to the (gravitic) inertial dampers, intentionally or otherwise.
I use the idea of liquid encasement for RP color ala 'physiological regulation' aspects re:ELBs - and for both, the RP 'psychological' aspects (NPCs/PCs phobic about intentional drowning in a can...).
