Dumb question

[Blue Ghost]

Sorry anybody who reads and respond, but could someone tell me the difference between T4 and TNE? I bought the black books with pictures on them off the old Imperiumgames website, but I'm not sure what the difference is between T4 and TNE. Did TNE have a different set of rulebooks?

 

[BytePro]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traveller_(role-playing_game)

 

[Vladika]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traveller_(role-playing_game)

Miller has stated that T4 was "plagued by rush," explaining that the books were released without enough editing. - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traveller - Marc Miller's Traveller (1996, Imperium Games)

A pattern? (Not my fault. I followed the link and there it was.)

 

[Magnus von Thornwood]

T3 v. T4.

Well, I got my first look at TNE last night. I skimmed the PDF on my T5 Jump Drive and there are two differences.

TNE is the odd d20 house system that GDW used for Twilight 2000 while T4 uses a system more like T5 does with multiple dice by difficulty.

Millieu for TNE is IY 1200, while T4 is Imperial Year 0-40ish. So basically they bookend the history of the Third Imperium. T4 is the early days and TNE is the ending days.

 

[HG_B]

A pattern? (Not my fault. I followed the link and there it was.)

Yep. Go back to MT, which was basically unusable as printed.

 

[Vladika]

Yep. Go back to MT, which was basically unusable as printed.

And this is what's pissed me off so much about T5; same ole same ole. Marc new what a screw up T4 was:

Miller has stated that T4 was "plagued by rush," explaining that the books were released without enough editing. - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traveller - Marc Miller's Traveller (1996, Imperium Games)

and went on and did the exact same thing for T5...

 

[BytePro]

Bear in mind, wikipedia is a community edited source - I always take it with a grain of salt...

It seemed to cover the OPs question, though.

 

[rancke]

Bear in mind, wikipedia is a community edited source - I always take it with a grain of salt...

You can always check out the references.


Hans

 

[HG_B]

And this is what's pissed me off so much about T5; same ole same ole. Marc new what a screw up T4 was:



and went on and did the exact same thing for T5...

At this point all I can hope for is that Marc takes some of the excess Kickstarter $ and hires a good editor to come out with T5 1.1. Otherwise no one outside hardcore Trav people will purchase it.

 

[Vladika]

At this point all I can hope for is that Marc takes some of the excess Kickstarter $ and hires a good editor to come out with T5 1.1. Otherwise no one outside hardcore Trav people will purchase it.

Doesn't matter to him. Kickstarter came in 11 plus times over budget... Don's doing whatever Errata will be done and us Fans his editing.:rofl:

 

[Magnus von Thornwood]

While obviously biased...

I would like to remind folks that in the world of consultants there is this ancient wisdom: Best is the enemy of good enough!

Is Traveller5 best? In some ways yes, in others not. Is it good enough? Hell yeah.

But then again, I have been wanting to see it in print because I am an old school fan boy and wanted to play it with a book, not my draft print outs.

 

[Vladika]

...I have been wanting to see it in print because I am an old school fan boy and wanted to play it with a book, not my draft print outs.

Agreed. Still it could have, and should have, been better edited. Marc knew it, and Marc blew it.

I will say this: T5 has some seriously good info (if you can find it) and some very long overdue changes.

Let's see where the supplements go...

 

[HG_B]

Doesn't matter to him. Kickstarter came in 11 plus times over budget... Don's doing whatever Errata will be done and us Fans his editing.:rofl:

Yep, sad state of affairs indeed.

Is Traveller5 best? In some ways yes, in others not. Is it good enough? Hell yeah.

Not when looking at it as something to be marketed outside diehard fan base. It will not be as successful as something like MgT.

 

[Blue Ghost]

Well, I got my first look at TNE last night. I skimmed the PDF on my T5 Jump Drive and there are two differences.

TNE is the odd d20 house system that GDW used for Twilight 2000 while T4 uses a system more like T5 does with multiple dice by difficulty.

Millieu for TNE is IY 1200, while T4 is Imperial Year 0-40ish. So basically they bookend the history of the Third Imperium. T4 is the early days and TNE is the ending days.

Thanks Magnus

I bought a bunch of books back in the mid 90s, but suddenly got busy with engineering, so I never really had a chance to crack them. Every time I read about T4 or TNE I somehow had it in my mind that they were both the same thing. Don't ask me why. That's just the way it registered in my head.

Thanks for the replies, everyone.

 

[Magnus von Thornwood]

No problems.

Thanks Magnus

I bought a bunch of books back in the mid 90s, but suddenly got busy with engineering, so I never really had a chance to crack them. Every time I read about T4 or TNE I somehow had it in my mind that they were both the same thing. Don't ask me why. That's just the way it registered in my head.

Thanks for the replies, everyone.

I own T4, but till now had not had a chance to even read TNE so this was a pretty well timed question. Had you asked this two weeks ago I wouldn't have been on it like I was today.

 

[PFVA63]

Yep, sad state of affairs indeed.



Not when looking at it as something to be marketed outside diehard fan base. It will not be as successful as something like MgT.

Would that be the same heavily errata-ed MgT that was originally released with all the ships inside drawn to the wrong scale, and where some supplements actually had the wrong table of contents from a completely different book in them? (sorry, I couldn't resist)

 

[HG_B]

Would that be the same heavily errata-ed MgT that was originally released with all the ships inside drawn to the wrong scale, and where some supplements actually had the wrong table of contents from a completely different book in them? (sorry, I couldn't resist)

Same one. The sales of MgT to the wider RPG public will FAR outstrip T5's.

 

[PFVA63]

Same one. The sales of MgT to the wider RPG public will FAR outstrip T5's.

Hi,

In general then it would seem that the level of errata isn't a factor in whether a rules set is going to be successful, for these two items. Overall I kind of suspect that since Far Future Enterprises is basically a mom & pop type operation, ever since a licenses was given to Mongoose, it was kind of more or less realized that Mongoose Traveller would be the more commercially available of the two systems and hence more widely used/bought while T5 would be a smaller time player in the commercial market likely targeting and appealing more to previous players and/or newer people looking for "more depth" and/or better insight to the original author's vision of what he'd like to see for Traveller.

As such I tend to be a bit indifferent posts here from various people along the lines of how that think that either Mr. Miller "blew it" or that he "should do this or that" because otherwise it'll never successful outside a limited fanbase.