GrayPennell
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If you were a young adult in the 3rd Imperium circa 1105 what five historical events would you be taught or share with others? An example would be the psionic suppression. Any more?
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Founding of the Imperium
Civil War
Solomani Rim War
The fifth one I'm not sure about. The Zhodani skirmishes are too remote and inconsequential for anyone outside the Domain of Deneb.
EDIT: The Pacification Campaigns.
Hans
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The fifth (or more) would be of more local, domain centered
Deneb - Fronter Wars
Antares - Julian War
Vland - Vargr Campaigns & Vlani Pacification Campaigns
Ilelish - Aslan Border wars, Ilelish Revolt & Pacification Campaigns
Sylea - Pacification Campaigns
Alien Culture - would be "colored" by location
Deneb is is going to be neutral to negative on Vargr & Aslan very negative on the Zho and very neutral on the Solis, Hivers & K'kree
In the Sol domain Zho's are at worst neutrally treated "the Confederation Nut's are the real threat to the 3I"
Gateway "We need a large fleet to keep the K'kree at bay or else."
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Deneb - Fronter Wars
Antares - Julian War
Vland - Vargr Campaigns & Vlani Pacification Campaigns
Ilelish - Aslan Border wars, Ilelish Revolt & Pacification Campaigns
Sylea - Pacification Campaigns
Alien Culture - would be "colored" by location
Deneb is is going to be neutral to negative on Vargr & Aslan very negative on the Zho and very neutral on the Solis, Hivers & K'kree
In the Sol domain Zho's are at worst neutrally treated "the Confederation Nut's are the real threat to the 3I"
Gateway "We need a large fleet to keep the K'kree at bay or else."
Just Ideas
Timerover51
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1. Terra develops the Jump Drive.
2. The glorious victory of Terra over the hopelessly decadent Vilani genetic mongrels.
3. The immense spread of Solomani culture during the Rule of Man.
4. The confirmation by the Third Imperium that Terra is the source of all of the human species in the area of known space.
5. The hideous aggression of the Imperium against the Solomani Confederation and the horrible atrocities committed during the brutal conquest of Terra.
2. The glorious victory of Terra over the hopelessly decadent Vilani genetic mongrels.
3. The immense spread of Solomani culture during the Rule of Man.
4. The confirmation by the Third Imperium that Terra is the source of all of the human species in the area of known space.
5. The hideous aggression of the Imperium against the Solomani Confederation and the horrible atrocities committed during the brutal conquest of Terra.
Wouldn't Pacification Wars enter into the Founding of the Imperium?
I asume the founding of the Imperium would englobe its enlargement up to the courrent size (maybe Behind the Claw excluded, as it was explored/settled latter), so Julian War and Pacification Wars would be part of it.
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Everyone knows about Sylea and the Vilani.
Everyone knows about the Imperial Surveys.
Everyone knows the Xboat system and the speed of jump constrains the speed of news.
Everyone has a local knowledge of the history of their home planet (nee chargen Knowledges in T5)
Everyone has a local knowledge of the most recent wars or battles on their world or area.
Okay so it's not all imperial history but it's still relevant.
Everyone knows about the Imperial Surveys.
Everyone knows the Xboat system and the speed of jump constrains the speed of news.
Everyone has a local knowledge of the history of their home planet (nee chargen Knowledges in T5)
Everyone has a local knowledge of the most recent wars or battles on their world or area.
Okay so it's not all imperial history but it's still relevant.
GrayPennell
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I been watching these come across and I noticed we know very little about the Imperium. Probably explains why we have had the same debate...small ship vs large ship Imperium for decades now. You would think with thousands of years of history we would know more details. Heck with decades of writing we should know something. So to try and help writers out I am starting a new thread. I wish it was a discussion area like First Contacts but who knows. The new thread is Imperium culture. Here people can post colorful stories about things within the Imperium just pick a place and time period and go for it.
No, the small ship vs large ship in the Imperium debate comes down to some people refusing to accept that the small ship Imperium was retconned into a large ship Imperium quite early in the CT days and has never been retconned back.
Actually, I'm not sure there are any who refuse to accept it. The discussions I remember center on whether a small or large ship universe is the better idea.
We do know something. Quite a lot, actually. It's just that the subject is so vast that "quite a lot" is still only a minuscule part of the total.
Excellent idea. There has been such a thread over on the SJG forums for quite a while now and it runs into hundreds of posts. I'd provide a link, but the SJG boards are stuffed up at the moment.
EDIT: Here's the link: http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=83884
Hans
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david.wendelken
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Wow, the 3rd Imperium is doing WAY better on eduation than the USA is.
80% of my wife's college students haven't been able to correctly (using either de facto or de jure justification) answer whether the USA is at war and, if so, where.
We live in a military town, most of the 20% who know the answer are either in the military or married to a military member.
I'm not sure everyone would be given a proper education in this regard. Since the 3I rules the space between worlds and those worlds are domestically autonomous, it's up to each world's government how integrated their populations are with the 3I 'mainstream'.
That being said, for an integrated citizen in 1105 it would also vary slightly based on location (as MCEvans said). If they were in the Spinward Marches then I'd go with ...
That being said, for an integrated citizen in 1105 it would also vary slightly based on location (as MCEvans said). If they were in the Spinward Marches then I'd go with ...
- The founding of the 3I
- The assassination of Cleon III
- The Civil War
- The Solomani Rim War
- The Fourth Frontier War
I took the original post to mean events that everybody in the Imperium would have some notion of, regardless of location.
I have to admit that you are absolutely right about Cleon III. He'd be universally known. That amends my list to:
- Foundation of the Imperium
- Pacification Campaigns (no, I don't think they're the same; the PCs mark a pronounced change for the Imperium).
- The Rise and Fall of Cleon III
- The Civil War
- The Psionic Suppressions
- The Solomani Rim War
Having to eliminate one of those from the list... Nope, I can't do it. These are the six historical events you would be taught about anywhere in the Imperium. (Assuming you were taught Imperial history at all).
Hans
Given that the citizens of 3I worlds would grow up knowing that their highest level of government IS the 3I and the ubiquity of knowledge and data due to computer access, it would be pretty impossible to NOT be aware of the major history points...
The 3I has low tech worlds where widespread computer network access is not a given.
Then there are high law level worlds where, if there is widespread computer network access, such access is tightly controlled. Some 3I events might be viewed by the planetary government as controversial and thus be censored.
There could be (and probably are) worlds with sufficient tech and a moderate law level that are nonetheless culturally isolationist.
A variation of this would be a world not isolationist as such but with a more spartan view on domestic consumption where private access to computer networks is unusual.
And all of that is before you get into willful ignorance by individuals.
Yes, yes I know. That being said. >95% of the pop will know all this data. Look that demographics of Imp wide.
significant chunks of the population are in the most restrictive local government worlds. Set worlds of pop A has a subset LL 12+ worlds... per Mega, "unrestricted invasion of privacy"
Right. Unless those are low tech, info abounds. China lost control as soon as the TL raised enough for internet. NK, has an internal TL of ~4.5, so no real problem, yet...
No, the small ship vs large ship debate comes down to a question of taste and personal preference. Oh, it rises up from time to time like those ancient Christian debates about which way to cross yourself was the right way or which words were the right words, but it really comes down to which version sings most sweetly to a particular gamemaster and his players. As far as I know, there was never an expectation that players integrate all CT materials into their own personal TUs; it's all about the fun.
How about adding the caveat "if they are taught Imperial history at all" and avoid all the quibbles? Oh, wait, I already tried that....
It was worth a second try. The Chinese government hasn't exactly given up the fight, after all, and the Imperium is more a confederation of mostly internally autonomous worlds than a homogenous empire.
China's probably about LL B... but lacks the processing power that many imperial worlds will have.
China has a combination of factors that make them less likely to be able to filter adequately... including lack of CPU processing power to filter the networks. We're rapidly approaching the point where data throughput is compromised, and don't even have 50% penetration yet, and even in china, privatization was an expedient solution trumping ideology and state control.
A truly invasive state (China has no legal prohibitions on invasion, but has social inhibitions about it) will have viruses reporting to state security, published warnings about connection to the local grid, unpublished architectures, non-standard encodings, violent suppression of compilers and interpreters, and no legal private computers, no private storage (cloud only), only private dumb terminals or dim terminals* to state computers.
*terminals that are only smart enough to run as an X-terminal, with only enough ram for the keyboard buffer, touch buffer and video driver. Not quite as smart as the average dedicated X-terminal; a bit smarter than the average TN-3270 protocol terminal... but not much. Not even as bright as a thin-client.
'The small ship vs large ship debate' is not the same as 'the small ship vs large ship in the Imperium' debate.
Hans
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