Actually it is what you said, but you don't know it. If one looks at the speciation and extinction in one line just to us, now, being a singular event. Saying it happened 20-30 times all to the same exact morphology and everything? No.
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Actually it is what you said, but you don't know it. If one looks at the speciation and extinction in one line just to us, now, being a singular event. Saying it happened 20-30 times all to the same exact morphology and everything? No.
I've tried to parse this sentence several times but to no avail. What are you trying to say here?
Where does anyone say it happens to the same exact morphology and everything? (And what is 'everything'?)
Hans
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You are, constantly. You are confusing archaic Homo Sapiens, who did live 300,000 years ago, with modern humans.
Everything, like being able to talk and use tools like we do and NOT being a meter tall or 6m tall, or something.
Thing is, in Traveller, there's ONE human species 300KYA that grandfather tweaked... Homo Sapiens antiqus. It becomes H. Sapiens sapiens on Earth, H. Sapiens zdantl on Zdantl, H. Sapiens bilandin on Vland, H. Geonensis on the homworld of the Geonee, H Sapiens jonkerensis on Jonkerer... Etc.
In the Real World...
archaic Homo Sapiens wasn't present. H. Sapiens was about 250KYA. H. Neanderthalensis also wasn't present, it also dates to then.
Some versions of the Homo taxonomy list Homo Antecessor 750-200 KYA; others list Homo Sapiens archaic or H. Sapiens (archaic) or even (archaic) Homo Sapiens, and use Homo Sapiens Neanderthalensis and Homo Sapiens Heidelbergensis. But it's also notable that Homo Ergastor and Homo Erectus were the dominant non-african hominids, and H. Erectus continues on to become H. Floresiensis.
The exact taxonomy isn't established... but at best, for traveller, is to use the now no longer widely accepted "Homo Sapiens archaic" mode and to treat each world as a separate subspecies, with a few as separate species (like the Geonee) where the environment has required severe adaptations.
300KY is enough for major speciation events. And that's before Yaskodray and co making intentional tweaks.
In the Real World...
archaic Homo Sapiens wasn't present. H. Sapiens was about 250KYA. H. Neanderthalensis also wasn't present, it also dates to then.
Some versions of the Homo taxonomy list Homo Antecessor 750-200 KYA; others list Homo Sapiens archaic or H. Sapiens (archaic) or even (archaic) Homo Sapiens, and use Homo Sapiens Neanderthalensis and Homo Sapiens Heidelbergensis. But it's also notable that Homo Ergastor and Homo Erectus were the dominant non-african hominids, and H. Erectus continues on to become H. Floresiensis.
The exact taxonomy isn't established... but at best, for traveller, is to use the now no longer widely accepted "Homo Sapiens archaic" mode and to treat each world as a separate subspecies, with a few as separate species (like the Geonee) where the environment has required severe adaptations.
300KY is enough for major speciation events. And that's before Yaskodray and co making intentional tweaks.
I disagree, it isn't best for Traveller to build upon what has found out to be incorrect. It is best to leave the original statement there, just copy it verbatim and let it sit there in its wrongness without creating more foolishness, it makes us all look bad. It is just a game artifact and leave it as that, overall it doesn't affect the game.
I know my Intercedent isn't all that much better, but it ties into an adventure, which I know most people don't find scientific discovery an adventure. I do though, maybe I'm strange that way: "adventures in science" and hidden history to be revealed, mysteries to be solved. IMTU, life is like an equation, factor it and the answer can be obvious.
Facts change with time and what was correct in 1977 is incorrect now. What Hans and Wil are suggesting is nothing more than what most of the hobby has been doing ever since new facts regarding human evolution have been uncovered over the last 30-plus years. It's a tweak dealing with labels alone. The labels get updated while the story still remains untouched.
Wait a minute. You're the guy who came up with those painfully idiotic Blue Darrians and now you're arguing against adding more foolishness? Good sweet Christ, is that rich!
Then why mention it? After all, it only assists an adventure which exists solely in your personal TU and by your own admission it's just as "bad" as the suggestion you're arguing against.
Yeah, none of us playing a science-fiction RPG ever touch upon scientific adventure, CT didn't have a Scientist career, and MT doesn't have research rules.
Yup, you're a special snowflake and none of the rest of us ever thought of doing anything else with Traveller beyond shooting FGMP-15s and selling spec cargo.
Exactly what I said.
If a herd of sheep ran off a cliff, I wouldn't. I care about Traveller, sue me. The story isn't remaining untouched, it is being filled out with more nonsense, which is BAD FOR TRAVELLER. People need to put their personal issues behind what is good for the group, if you played this enough, you would know how a drama queen can wreck a group. Micro to the macro, happens in science as well.
You have a right to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is. The Blue Darrians make more sense than ever, but if you aren't creative enough, then don't try to drag down the rest of us that are.
Why not? It actually isn't as bad though.
A scientist with no science skills. MT took Traveller down, GDW with it, I didn't pay much attention to it.
Haven't played much I see.
The sad thing is, that remark is pretty much as useful as anything else you've contributed so far. Sticking a smiley at the end of an inane quip doesn't actually help the discussion move forward.There can only be one.
Please provide an argument to show that this claim has any substance whatsoever. An argument with substance and a modicum of evidence to support it. Explain yourself instead of spouting unsupported assertions. Put up or shut up.
This fuzzy allusion does give me a glimmering of a notion of what you're hinting at, but I'm not going to conduct both sides of the discussion. I'm tired of your vague cryptic utterances. If you can't provide a lucid argument, you're not worth wasting any more of my time on. So as I said above, put up or shut up.
Hans
Homo sapiens antiquus, Homo sapiens zhdotlas, Homo sapiens vlandensis and Homo sapiens geonensis (Yes, strangely enough considering their morphological differences the Geonee are expressly said to be a subspecies of Homo sapiens).
The Jonkereen are a geneered race (sometime referred to as Variant Human Races) and AFAIK their taxonomic name has not been mentioned anywhere.
Hans
You want me to prove the theory of evolution? I would love to, that would be a great thing to put on my CV: "Proved the Theory of Evolution". Things wouldn't seem so cryptic to you if you didn't parse your posts in such a way. Though it seems you are struggling, that which I can't help you with really. Trying to prove junk science such as parallel evolution of 30 different species of homo with further nonsense, you will never get anywhere. It doesn't make Traveller look good, and as a GM and player it really offers me nothing.
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