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Your Name in Zhodani

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Your Name in Zhodani

*UPDATE: Latest changes are marked with '*'

I need some testers to try out these draft rules. (Warning: it seems to work better with names than with login handles).

This is a set of name-mangling rules that maps names (or words) into Zhodani-sounding counterparts. As always, use with caution. Your results will help me refine the model.

Sincerely,

Riestants ("Call me Stan") Ejdakieqr

</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">Rules
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(0) Write down a name.
(1) Drop final vowels.
(2) Conflate repeated consonants.
(3) Apply vowel rules
(4) Apply basic consonant & final consonant rules.
(5) Shorten runs of 4+ consonants & edit where necessary.

Example:

(0) George Jefferson
(1) Georg Jefferson
(2) Georg Jeferson
(3) Garg Jafarsien
(4) Zhdadlzhd Nashtadlchieqr
(5) Zhdadl Nashtadlieqr

Example:

(1) Marc Miller
(2) Marc Miler
(3) Merc Molar
(4) Zedlm Zoklam
(5) Zedlem Zoklam


Vowels:

a -> e
ae -> i
au -> ia
e -> a
ea -> e
eo -> a
i -> o
ie -> e
o -> ie
u -> o
ue -> e
y -> e or null
y final -> q or null

=====================
Basic (non-final) Consonants:

b -> st
br -> dr
c -> m
ch(r) -> qr
d -> zd
f -> sht
fr -> q
g -> zhd
gl -> jd
h -> sh or null
j -> n
k -> f
l -> kl
lt -> ql
m -> z
n -> d
nd -> y or v
p -> tl
ph -> l
q -> fl
r -> dl
rn -> v
rt -> cht
s -> ch
sh -> pl
sm -> vl
st -> k
t -> br
te(r) -> kr
th(l) -> fr
th(r) -> j
v -> p
w -> vr

==================
Final Consonants:

b -> z
cy -> nj
d -> n -or- tl
l -> l
ld -> nsh
n -> qr
(r)ns -> stebr *
(i)on -> atl *
r -> m
rk -> nt *
rd(s) -> br
rt -> nts
s -> r
sh -> kr
s(i)on -> tlas *
st -> kl
t -> j
t(i)on -> tlas *
th -> f
v -> dl
wn -> k
y -> q

(for all other final consonants, please use
the "Basic Consonants" table, and sorry for the
inconvenience)</pre>[/QUOTE]
 
Pretty neat. Wendell Martin -> Vradzdal Zedlbroqr which looks pretty authentic.
 
Peter White
becomes..
Tlbradl Vrhobr?

COOL!

Didn't dare try my middle name.

--Edit--
okay now I did... zhdershtensl?

Tlbradl Zhdershensl Vrhobr?

Sounds like a Aslan horking up a bad hairball.
 
Peter White could be:

Peter Whit
-> Patar Whot
-> Tlabram Vrobr

Hm, that final t should be something else. How
about, in the final consonants table:

t -> j

That would make you "Tlabram Vroj". Better?


And Wendell Martin could be:

Wendel Martin
-> Wandal Merton
-> Vrayal Zedlbroqr

Although I'd pare down that "dlbr" group some...
it could be 'Zedloqr' or 'Zebroqr'.
Perhaps 'rt' ought to map to something in the
basic consonants table. How about

rt -> cht

That would make you "Vrayal Zechtoqr".
 
So I whould be:
0) Peter Vernon
1) (no effect)
2) (no effect)
3) Patar Varnien
4) Tlabram Padldieqr
5) (no effect)

Right?
 
Vernon
Padldieqr, yep.

If I were you, I'd drop that second d.
Padlieqr sounds better.

Or, perhaps I need to map 'rn' to something.
How about rn -> v.

Pavieqr. Ahh, nice.
 
Originally posted by Pierce_Inverarity:
I wish my name was Zedlem Zoklam.

Unfortunately, it's Tledlma Odpadledlobrq.
Pierce Inverarity * let's dump that final y.
Pierc Inverarit
Perc Onvarerot
Tledlm Odpadledloj

Let's dump the 'm' from Tledlm, and the
'p' from Odpadledloj.

Tledl Odadledloj. A little better. Still a mouthful of syllables. Consider it a diplomatic challenge.
 
Originally posted by Garf:


<snip>... zhdershtensl?
Gesundheit :D

"And so began the First Frontier War, as the Zhodani Ambassador introduced himself and the Imperial Ambassador, of Germanic descent, replied with a common phrase which unfortunately was phonetically identical to a viscious slur in the Zhodani Ambassador's native language."

Sorry, just couldn't resist


Anyway, more data for the test, Daniel James Burns enters the alien artifact and emerges...

"Hi there, I'm Zdedel Nezar Stodldr, no need to introduce yourself, I've already scanned your mind." :cool:

Pronunciation (imo): Zhed-el Ne-zar Stole-dur
 
Originally posted by far-trader:
"And so began the First Frontier War, as the Zhodani Ambassador introduced himself and the Imperial Ambassador, of Germanic descent, replied with a common phrase which unfortunately was phonetically identical to a viscious slur in the Zhodani Ambassador's native language."
Most unlikely.

1. A Zhodani ambassador's name would definitely end in one of the following syllables.

-iepr
-atl
-stebr
-tlas
-tlasché
-iashav

Probably one of the last three, which indicate Social Standing D-F, fitting for a high-ranking ambassador.
Btw: This is also an inherent flaw using this "naming machine". Zhodani names, at least for the upper classes, have fairly rigid structures.

2. A Zhodani, with straightforward honesty as his foremost cultural value, cannot fall prone to a "misunderstanding".

3. There are in all likelihood, no "vicious slurs" in the Zhodani language. In a well-adjusted, conform, happy society like the Consulate's, insults are almost unheard of. If uttered by an Imperial, they would more likely arouse curiosity or concern for the Imperial's mental health than anger or resentment (typical non-Zhodani reactions).

Regards,

Tiestebr
CO, ZCS Viepchakl
 
Originally posted by Tobias:
Most unlikely.

<snip>

Regards,

Tiestebr
CO, ZCS Viepchakl
All quite true and spot on Tobias, put it down to my propaganda rich anti-PSI/anti-Zho upbringing ;) but you gotta admit that name sounded a lot like a sneeze.

Btw maybe you know, wasn't there an online Zho-name generator? I thought maybe on Berka's pages but I can't find it.

And just to emphasize the point I do agree such 'machines' rarely produce anything but garbleage but at least if reasonably 'programmed' they can provide a little authentic looking/sounding color in a hurry for a game. Such aritifices will do until someone finishes a real linguistic treatment of the Traveller languages at least as complete as ST did for Klingon.

E'chak nook nehk!

I'm sure my spelling is off, ya wanna make something of it :mad:

Klingon mode (or is it mood?) off :D
 
I didn't notice the consonant combination "str" or the vowel combination "io" as in Administration.... For now, I'll do it as two separate consonant combinations or vowels.

Paul Attila Nemeth, (Antares Administration)
Paul Atila Nemeth, (Antares Administration)
Paul Atil Nemeth, (Antares Administration)
Pial Etol Namath, (Enteras Edmonostretlas)
Tlial Ebrol Dazath, (Edbredlas Ezdzodokdletlas)
Tlial Ebrol Dazaf, (Edbredlar Ezdzodokdletlas) :eek:

Say that three times fast!

Tlial Dazaf
EE (thank God for abbreviations)
 
Hmm lemme see..

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Daniel Hammersley (Liam Devlin) Micheal Rourke
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Daniel Hammersl (Liam Devlin-Nc) Micheal Rourk
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Daniel Hamersl (Liam Devlin-Nc)Micheal Rourk-Nc
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Denol Hemarsl (Laum Davlon) Mochel Rieork
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Z'dedokl Shezadl'ch (Klauz Z'dapklod) Zoq'rekl Dlieodlf

Wowzers that's a mouthful. neat engine Robject!
signed ZS (KZ0) & ZD..(yeah, agree with paul/AA a lot easier to abbrieviate than pronounce!)
 
Originally posted by far-trader:
All quite true and spot on Tobias, put it down to my propaganda rich anti-PSI/anti-Zho upbringing ;) but you gotta admit that name sounded a lot like a sneeze.
Well, Zhodani, by Imperial standards, are humor-impaired... ;)

Btw maybe you know, wasn't there an online Zho-name generator? I thought maybe on Berka's pages but I can't find it.
I think there is an online (or downloadable) word generator, but not specifically for names.

Such aritifices will do until someone finishes a real linguistic treatment of the Traveller languages at least as complete as ST did for Klingon.
I've seriously contemplated this as part of my "13 Zhodani supplements" project (of which so far only Fighting Ships has made any appreciable progress :/).
So far the only things I have are a gathering of "canonical" Zdetl words and an idea about basic grammar (no verbs, nouns, etc., but a "meaning" stem combined with a "usage" suffix or prefix). I gleaned it largely from gypsycomet's website.

Regards,

Tobias
 
Well, if I give it a go, but be nice by NOT using Mc, but rather Mac:

1. Angus MacDonald
2. Angus MacDonald
3. Engos MacDieneld
4. Edzhdor Zemzdiedekln
5. Edzhor Zemziedeln, or
Edzhor Zemziedek

I kinda like the last one, although I've never seen an Zhodani name beginning with "E".
 
Originally posted by Falkayn:
Well, if I give it a go, but be nice by NOT using Mc, but rather Mac:

1. Angus MacDonald
2. Angus MacDonald
3. Engos MacDieneld
4. Edzhdor Zemzdiedekln
5. Edzhor Zemziedeln, or
Edzhor Zemziedek

I kinda like the last one, although I've never seen an Zhodani name beginning with "E".
I don't suppose "Zem-" is a Zhodani prefix for "Son of"?

"Judah zem Hur"...
 
Er, rather:

Judah [zem] Hur
Jodeh [zem] Hor
Nozdesh zem Shom

H'm, sounds kinda primitive.
 
-iepr
-atl
-stebr
-tlas
-tlasché
-iashav
H'm, I wonder if I should tack on those endings for relatively common (or difficult) name endings...

For instance, English endings -ns, -on?

Also, there are still a lot of two-consonant combinations that need to be dispatched.
 
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