What's the capital of Roup?
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I know not about the capital of Roup, other than it's likely to have good fishing.
MT2 features Roup Startown, Renoir, Lurka, Rudun, Ishakema, Lameburg, and Shikii City.
Roup's a rather heavily populated water world with 3 billion souls. It's likely to have a whole lot more cities than the game mentions.
MT2 features Roup Startown, Renoir, Lurka, Rudun, Ishakema, Lameburg, and Shikii City.
Roup's a rather heavily populated water world with 3 billion souls. It's likely to have a whole lot more cities than the game mentions.
Thank you very much.
If it has not been established which one is the capital, I'll roll a die and, ignoring the startown, pick the one the die indicates. It was a 3, Rudun. So Rudun is the capital, barring anyone bringing up canon to the contrary. (Good thing it wasn't a 5; I'd have had to cheat if it had been Lameburg
).3½ billion even.
Of course. Those would just be the most prominent cities. Most likely the list includes the capital, though.
Hans
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Roup is the location for Foodrunner, the Amber Zone in JTAS #5. No city names are mentioned, though it does say the cities are all perched on island tops and very very crowded. There may not be all that many of them.
So mote it be. I generally treat "Startown" as some quarter of the city, like the South Side or the River district or Chinatown, rather than the city itself. Saves me trouble if I run into a canon source that puts a name to the city. And I don't necessarily put the starport(s) in the capital, especially if it's a heavily populated world.
Lessee, just for fun - 'cause I'm strange that way:
Roup's a size 7, 7000 mile diameter. Surface area 153,860,000 square miles. Let's say it's 99% covered in water: 1,538,600 square miles. 3+ billion souls on ~1.5 million square miles, average 2000 bodies per square mile. That's actually not terribly bad. By comparison, Oahu's population density's around 1600 bodies per square mile.
You could easily get away with quadrupling the population density or more - or halving it, got some leeway there, even as a water world. However, the Amber Zone's pretty clear about Roup suffering from "massive overpopulation". So let's look at another example: Rio de Janeiro packs 6 million people into a 486 square mile area, for a population density over 12,000 per square mile, and it's as famous for its crowded slums as its scenic beaches. If we go that way, we're saying Roup's only got about 250 thousand square miles of land surface, maybe less - only 1/6 of a percent of the surface is land.
Still, that's enough room for several hundred Rio's. Place could look like the U.S eastern seaboard, city after city after city butted up against each other without a real way of telling when you've left one and entered another except for the "Welcome" signs.
Aside: The fishing industry needs to bring in 3 to 4 million TONS of food a day just to provide minimum calories. That's about ten times our harvest rate on Earth right now. We've got about half a billion people, counting spouses and children, who depend on fishing-related jobs - either fishing or processing it or transporting it or selling it, etc. So, basically, almost every working person on Roup is working directly or indirectly in its fishing industry. I'm presuming their fishing industry's also bringing in plant life or some other source of vitamins, 'cause just fish isn't going to keep them all alive. And, if their oceans are like ours, they're getting pretty close to a Malthusian solution to their problem.
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There is the little matter of a tainted atmosphere, which makes everything a bit more complicated.
Only if you breathe it.
Otherwise, it's just a handy way to keep the unemployment levels low. :devil:Think of it as - an incentive. After all, if you can't afford a simple filter mask, what business do you have eating food? Makes the unwashed masses that much more - umm, competitive. Yes, competitive, that's the word.
[whispered] You could always ignore canon. [/whispered]
Or make an excuse on the fly. Capitals do change; it's rare, but not unheard of. Charismatic dictatorship; the Boss can build a new palace wherever he wants.
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Information on Roup has also been collected at the Travellerrpg wiki. Aquaculture is described as being performed on a planetary scale with bubblenets used to improve productivity. Fishing only in the neighborhoods of the few islands would not provide the quantity of food required. I would envision huge floating factory ships throughout the oceans which would be like floating cities housing tens of thousands of workers and their families for very extended periods. They could also extract algae from the seawater to supplement the fish. While this would not make much of a dent in the overcrowding on the islands, working in these floating factories would probably be the dream jobs.
Information on Roup has also been collected at the Travellerrpg wiki. Aquaculture is described as being performed on a planetary scale with bubblenets used to improve productivity. Fishing only in the neighborhoods of the few islands would not provide the quantity of food required. I would envision huge floating factory ships throughout the oceans which would be like floating cities housing tens of thousands of workers and their families for very extended periods. They could also extract algae from the seawater to supplement the fish. While this would not make much of a dent in the overcrowding on the islands, working in these floating factories would probably be the dream jobs.
I feel an almost overwhelming urge to dive into detailing Roup now, but I shall manfully resist it. I need to concentrate on Regina and Roup. I wish I know what Marc Miller has in mind for the Amindii, Regina's hitherto unmentioned indigenous minor nonhuman race. If it's just that they exist and how they look, I have a number of ideas for fitting them into the large body of material I already have for Regina, but if he has some definite vision that just needs to be written down, I'm not going to waste time on developing stuff that will be overruled as soon as MM gets around to it. It's very frustrating not to know one way or the other.
Hans
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Parts of the land surface may not be useable due to tectonic activity, or other reasons making it not suitable for building on.
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David
Well, of course. Parts of Oahu's land surface aren't suitable for building either. That'll actually be a bigger problem for these water worlds than most places because their land masses tend to be what amount to mountain peaks. The steeper the angle, the more effort and expense involved in digging and leveling to make something someone can live in. The higher on the mountain, the more effort and expense in building roads up there, running water up there, and so forth, and so forth. Places near the beach may be unsuitable due to local storm surges flooding them or prevalence of hurricane-force winds. For that matter, some or most of the land could be up in the polar zones. The average is an average; the devil hides in the details.
I'm always impressed with the amount of energy you bring to the Traveller universe, Hans.
I can understand his sentiment. I'd hate to put a lot of work into something and then find out the game milieu had taken a different path, say by changing some world's tech level or unexpectedly changing it's size.
To me that also depends on the original information. I'm of the opinion that not all canon is created equal; there is good canon and there is bad canon. Good canon shouldn't be changed; bad canon should be changed and the sooner the better.I can understand his sentiment. I'd hate to put a lot of work into something and then find out the game milieu had taken a different path, say by changing some world's tech level or unexpectedly changing it's size.
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