UWP Changes

[robject]

Originally posted by Bill Cameron:

Believe it or not, I'm helping by staying out of the project and by encouraging others to stay out too.
[...]

And, since I've thought it a few times but haven't said it yet... thank you.

 

[Whipsnade]

Originally posted by robject:
Marc says that "QLI has regenerated Ley, Glimmerdrift, Gateway, and Crucis Margin."

Robject,

Check them anyways. Check both the Sunbane sectors and QLI's versions. See if QLI's result jive with your's. I'll bet they won't.

They won't match not because QLI somehow did them 'wrong'. They won't match because QLI did them differently. Your Team has it's own regeneration procedures and QLI has it's own. The two will not be the same, so the two will produce different results. Look at all the decisions made concerning fluid oceans for instance. QLI will not have made the same decisions you did.

Regenerate all the UWPs with a single procedure. Create one data set from one procedure. No exceptions, no 'it was done already', none of that. Make the data seamless. No one wants to have to remember ten years from now that, when faced with inconsistencies between Ilelish UWPs and Ley UWPs, the sectors in Second Survey were regenerated except for these four over here that had been done before.

No exceptions, please, no matter how good the QLI data may be. Regenerate all the UWPs in the same fashion.


Have fun,
Bill

 

[Fritz_Brown]

What are "HP"s, Flynn?

 

[daryen]

robject,

Based on this thread, I have the following additional recommendations for changes to the Spinward Marches:

- Change the UWP of Pavanne (2905) to E210000-0.
- Change all xxx000-x worlds to have a TL of 0 and a population multiplier of 0.
- Remove the Amber Zone from Natoko (3209).
- Remove the Amber Zone from Colada (1022).
- Remove the Amber Zone from Tsarina (2236).
- Remove the Amber Zone from Moran (2924).
- Remove the base code from Zeycude (0101).
- Make sure Jesedipere (3001) is listed.

 

[robject]

$#%^, let's regenerate the Spinward Marches, too. Why not?

Sod backwards compatability.

Avast, Mateys! Heave to and prepare to be boarded!

Who cares if Regina loses half its mass and 90% of its population?

 

[Pickles]

Originally posted by robject:
$#%^, let's regenerate the Spinward Marches, too. Why not?

<sits back and watches history in the re-making>

 

[jfetters]

Originally posted by Fritz88:
What are "HP"s, Flynn?

HP would be High Passage magazine, which I own absolutely 0 copies of.

 

[rancke]

Originally posted by robject:
Who cares if Regina loses half its mass and 90% of its population?

I do.

Regina was one of the earliest worlds in the Spinward Marches that was settled from the Imperium. That argues that it's a pretty good world. It was the dominant world among a cluster of 17 worlds in 250. That argues rapid growth and development, again indicating a good world. It is still the capital of its duchy today, so it should have a decent population no matter what.

I know you were making a joke, but I'm trying to make a point here: A world is not just a set of random numbers, it is a product of its history.


Hans

 

[robject]

Hans, I'm sorry if I alarmed you.

I couldn't find the "frustration" and "sarcasm" keys on my keyboard last night.

Some direction from Marc.

What I'd like to see in a perfect world.

Everything corresponds with AOTI.
Everything corresponds with canon.
Everything corresponds with apocrypha.
And we have a set of reference footnotes that tell us each world data that appears in canon and apocrypha.

Stellar distribution is tweaked to be more realistic without violating canon lists.

Some things are changed anyway. Like Vland has many more people.

 

[robject]

Giving Amnesty to Individual Systems

I'm indicating amnesty extended to individual systems in two ways:

(1) I'm moving them all to the top of the system listings in the aoti-friendly .sec files.

(2) I'm adding a plus sign to the system name.

For example, Depot in Corridor is mentioned in Survival Margin, and so its UWP could have amnest y from being regenerated. If we decide it's worth preserving, we mark its name with a plus sign thus:

</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">Depot+ 1511 A686354-F D Lo Ni 123 Im M4 V</pre>[/QUOTE]My Perl script checks for this plus sign. The authoritative regeneration might do things differently, but these two methods make it clear to me what's going on.

EDIT It would also be nice to annotate where the UWP reference is. I'm going to create a separate data block in the sector file for this:

</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">Ref 1511 SM
Ref 1205 SM</pre>[/QUOTE]

 

[inexorabletash]

Originally posted by Jim Fetters:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Fritz88:
What are "HP"s, Flynn?

HP would be High Passage magazine, which I own absolutely 0 copies of.

</font>[/QUOTE]The question's been answered, but to answer the next question:

I own copies of all of the relevant TDs (#12) and HPs (#2,3,4,5) featuring the Old Expanses. When I did a spot check of the published info vs. Sunbane data they matched for the published subsectors (A, C, J, H, O). The TD metadata (subsector names, xboat routes) was also (foolishly) consistent with the HP data - trade routes were recycled as xboat routes - the worst published xboat routes ever. (Check out this monstrosity: http://inexorabletash.members.winisp.net/maps/map.htm?x=43&y=-76&scale=64&options=887)

I rechecked all of the worlds where there was an AOTI inconsistency - Sunbane data exactly matches the HP data for these worlds. Interestingly, the highest density of the error worlds are in subsector L, which was never published - it accounts 10 of the 23 errors.

One side note: there's a world in HP#3 that's the location of the feature adventure. It's called "The Edge" and it should be in hex 2920. UWP stats are given in the adventure (X769000-0, class G star, only 1 planet in the system so no GG's, Red zone) and it's shown in the map. But it's left out of the subsector data listing, and doesn't feature in either TD #12 or AOTI. Ooops - way to create then lose a world!

 

[robject]

That is the worst Xboat route I've ever seen.

 

[robject]

Draft regenerations have been uploaded to:

http://eaglestone.pocketempires.com/survey/aoti/regen

The files have a .sec5 extension.

I'll be checking them over to see what they look like and spot bugs in my code.

 

[jfetters]

Originally posted by Joshua Bell:

I own copies of all of the relevant TDs (#12) and HPs (#2,3,4,5) featuring the Old Expanses. When I did a spot check of the published info vs. Sunbane data they matched for the published subsectors (A, C, J, H, O). The TD metadata (subsector names, xboat routes) was also (foolishly) consistent with the HP data - trade routes were recycled as xboat routes - the worst published xboat routes ever. (Check out this monstrosity: http://inexorabletash.members.winisp.net/maps/map.htm?x=43&y=-76&scale=64&options=887)

Yeah, I meant to ask you about that - I saw it when I was looking at OE for something else and couldn't beleive it...

I rechecked all of the worlds where there was an AOTI inconsistency - Sunbane data exactly matches the HP data for these worlds. Interestingly, the highest density of the error worlds are in subsector L, which was never published - it accounts 10 of the 23 errors.

That IS interesting. THanks for the check!

 

[robject]

Holy crap!

</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">Khouth 0104 Fl A5AAAAA-F Cp Hi 410 Im F V [K D]</pre>[/QUOTE]This better be a bug.

EDIT Maybe not. Here are other results generated:

</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">Khouth 0104 De A7409C9-F Cp Hi In Po 510 Im G V M V* M V
Khouth 0104 De A6709B8-F Cp Hi In 210 Im G V G V
Khouth 0104 Fl AAC6964-E Cp Hi 610 Im G V </pre>[/QUOTE]

 

[robject]

UWP References

Can someone identify the sector and hex number of UWPs referenced by Survival Margin, please?

For example, the two worlds referenced in Survival Margin in Corridor are Depot (1511) and Durima (1205). So I identify them sort of like this:

</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">Corridor:
Ref 1511 SM
Ref 1205 SM</pre>[/QUOTE]

 

[jfetters]

This is including the world names. It should be all of them:

Core:
Ref 2118 SM Capital
Ref 2115 SM Knabbib
Ref 0125 SM Trevor
Ref 0523 SM Dinhe
Ref 0922 SM Celetron

Ilelish:
Ref 1021 SM Dlan
Ref 2224 SM Agari
Ref 2218 SM Shaddimir
Ref 1711 SM Pharsalus
Ref 2817 SM Shudash
Ref 2208 SM Khirar
Ref 2607 SM Gakhu

Solomani Rim:
Ref 1827 SM Terra
Ref 1717 SM Muan Gwi
Ref 2920 SM Banasdan
Ref 2109 SM Eleusis
Ref 3235 SM Culdee
Ref 2939 SM Hasdrubal
Ref 0923 SM Sebasta
Ref 2527 SM Cymbeline

Spinward Marches:
Ref 1910 SM Regina
Ref 2327 SM Strouden
Ref 3235 SM Trin
Ref 2637 SM Robin
Ref 2035 SM Aki
Ref 1004 SM Esalin
Ref 3124 SM Mora
Ref 3010 SM L'oeul d'Dieu
Ref 2828 SM Hexos
Ref 2716 SM Rhylanor

Gushemege:
Ref 1015 SM Usdiki
Ref 1616 SM Imparlu
Ref 3029 SM Phaln
Ref 1038 SM Sharim
Ref 2716 SM Shakhamash
Ref 2439 SM Susadi

Old Expanses:
Ref 1422 SM Hindahl
Ref 1106 SM Vaward

Daibei:
Ref 2014 SM Amdani
Ref 0507 SM Warinir
Ref 1934 SM Narya

Lishun:
Ref 2719 SM Tephany

Zarushagar:
Ref 2806 SM Kurae
Ref 2908 SM Lode
Ref 0928 SM Liasdi
Ref 2436 SM Disi
Ref 2329 SM Preserve
Ref 0407 SM Strela

Diaspora:
Ref 1109 SM Libert
Ref 0209 SM Soyuz
Ref 2004 SM Sufren
Ref 1816 SM Umorphutwyo
Ref 2920 SM Hice
Ref 2926 SM Vahana
Ref 2827 SM Promise
Ref 2605 SM Khavle
Ref 0532 SM Cumber

Dagudashaag:
Ref 2124 SM Medurma
Ref 0721 SM Zeda
Ref 3227 SM Manshuruk
Ref 2709 SM Larmige
Ref 2038 SM Gracilis

Corridor:
Ref 1511 SM Depot
Ref 1205 SM Durima

Empty Quarter:
Ref 0338 SM Nulinad
Ref 1838 SM Belumar

Antarez:
Ref 2421 SM Antares
Ref 2425 SM Ansenz

Delphi:
Ref 1724 SM Anaxias
Ref 0313 SM Zukhimie

Reft:
Ref 2738 SM Cyril
Ref 1301 SM Sestau

Massilia:
Ref 0402 SM Kaggushus
Ref 2440 SM Rington
Ref 0717 SM Uson
Ref 0207 SM Kapabu-Sepple
Ref 2925 SM Giirsha
Ref 2127 SM Ugdukida

Hinterworlds:
Ref 0402 SM Venad
Ref 2829 SM Iaasiv

Vland:
Ref 1717 SM Vland
Ref 1817 SM Tauri

Verge:
Ref 2612 SM Tripolis
Ref 1809 SM Stijn
Ref 2023 SM Turin
Ref 2828 SM Tiawan

Magyar:
Ref 0116 SM Wair

Ley:
Ref 1210 SM Dukh

Aldebaran:
Ref 1009 SM Home

 

[jfetters]

Sector Report for Daibei Sunbane:

This was a rough sector. 62 inconsistent worlds in one form or another.

Note that some systems are listed twice if they have more than one problem.

Hydrosphere Inconsistencies:

0210 d-we g
0328 d-we g
0334 c-we g
0527 b-we g
0710 a-we g
0932 b-we g
0937 e-we g Damar
1006 c-we g
1024 d-we g
1118 e-we g
1130 b-we
1303 c-we g
1438 c-we g
1537 a-we g
1701 c-we g
1712 e-we g
1936 d-we g
2009 b-we g
2013 b-we-n g
2116 c-we g
2121 e-we g
2124 e-we g
2202 d-we-s g
2340 b-we g
2404 c-we g
2423 e-we Tukera
2803 c-we g
2815 e-we g
2837 b-we g
2931 a-we g
3013 b-we
3121 a-we g
3133 x-we g
3210 c-we g
3218 e-we g

Population inconsistencies:

0831 c-we Conj

Base Inconsistencies

0326 a-as-d g Depot
1126 b-we-w g
1411 c-de-w g
1831 b-we g
1935 a-de-w g

Allegiance inconsistencies:
All are listed in Sunbane as Solomani.

0138 c-de g
0139 a-de g Uston
0140 a-as-n g
0236 b-we g
0237 a-de g
0240 c-we g
0339 b-we g
0435 e-we g
0437 b-de g
0440 b-we-n g
0536 a-we
0636 c-as g Gulurkhi
0639 a-as g
0736 c-de
0838 e-we
0839 c-we g
0937 e-we g Damar
0940 a-we g
1039 a-we
1137 a-we g
1138 b-we
1140 a-we g

World Type inconsistencies:

0326 a-as-d g Depot

 

[robject]

W O W Jim! Thank you very much for both of those posts!

 

[jfetters]

No prob - between being sick this week and having a day to wait for the cable installer, I had a bunch of time on my hands this week.