Uniform & Rank Badges

[CosmicGamer]

Scouts, I see as a khaki brown and cream.

How is this for a first try towards what your saying for scout? Just a quick adaptation off of Hemdians. Hope he/she doesn't mind. I can do better but it's late, I'm tired, and this will give a starting point for feedback.

 

[Andrew Boulton]

Scout uniforms are well established - blue tailored vacsuits, as shown on the cover of MT RC.

http://www.travellerbibliography.org/gdw-mt/RefCompanion.jpg

Scouts use a red sunburst, Navy yellow, Army black, Marines maroon.

 

[CosmicGamer]

Scout uniforms are well established - blue tailored vacsuits, as shown on the cover of MT RC.

http://www.travellerbibliography.org/gdw-mt/RefCompanion.jpg

Scouts use a red sunburst, Navy yellow, Army black, Marines maroon.

Thanks. All I own is incomplete CT and MGT.

 

[aramis]

Marine Uniforms are also fairly well established to be black or maroon tunics (Close to modern US pattern) with opposite color trousers. It is mentioned in TD15, and in several other spots prior and post.

Note that Marine Battle Dress units are defined to have non-combat mode in maroon.

 

[Magnus von Thornwood]

Yummy, ImpMars

Marine Uniforms are also fairly well established to be black or maroon tunics (Close to modern US pattern) with opposite color trousers. It is mentioned in TD15, and in several other spots prior and post.

Note that Marine Battle Dress units are defined to have non-combat mode in maroon.

I so love the Maroon Battle Dress. I used to have the figs. They look cool in 7 color woodland too. What, they were working in Terran NAU.

 

[Hemdian]

How is this for a first try towards what your saying for scout? Just a quick adaptation off of Hemdians. Hope he/she doesn't mind. I can do better but it's late, I'm tired, and this will give a starting point for feedback.

I like it. The shoulder patches are a nice touch. Admittedly IMTU I seem to be deviating from canon/consensus in this area but many of the uniform proposals (at least for colours) are too contemporary for my liking. This brown and cream colour scheme would serve well for the Admin (as opposed to Field) scouts. Its less patriotic-looking and threatening than the red which would serve well in the more diplomatic roles that scouts often find themselves in.

Some people have labelled my uniforms as too Star Trek but actually I was going more for a romanticised British Empire in terms of behaviour and wanted something to hint at that. (Plus the Imperials have red counters in the 5FW boardgame. )

UPDATE: Just noticed Digest #9 (the one focused on the Imperial capitol) has a red uniformed guy on the front. Hmmm ...

 

[Mithras]

I've only got partial Megat Trav, but all the CT stuff. I wasgoing through last night to find any illustrations I could use, but nothing really jumpedat me.

There looks to be a naval officer in the starship construction rules of The Traveller Book; and I always thought the crew on the front cover look like scouts!!! All dressed alike in heavy utilitarian brown jackets with huge gold-coloured clasps, big black boots and gun-belts. Itswhy I imagine Scouts to wear browns, beiges - a bit like Firefly Browncoats, nothing flash....

 

[aramis]

Those are NOT scouts. Those are probably army types.

Scouts are established in CT and in MT to wear grey or blue-grey.

 

[Magnus von Thornwood]

*sighs* They're not Army types either..

They are clearly the well armed and together Crew of the 400dT Empress Marava Class Starship; ISS Far Traveller. I mean the name is clearly painted under the cockpit window for all to see.

What, just because they have good arms and uniforms they're Military?

*shakes head* Misconceptions, tsk, tsk.

 

[aramis]

Like Scouts are military.... Hah!

 

[Magnus von Thornwood]

*snickers*

Like Scouts are military.... Hah!

Right, just like, in fact exactly like the USCG is not part of the USN, except when they are.

 

[aramis]

USCG Have not been part of the navy since 1945... ANd now that they are Homeland Security, the won't be, either.

 

[Andrew Boulton]

The legal basis for the Coast Guard is Title 14 of the United States Code, which states: "The Coast Guard as established January 28, 1915, shall be a military service and a branch of the armed forces of the United States at all times." Upon the declaration of war or when the President directs, the Coast Guard operates under the authority of the Department of the Navy. The Coast Guard later moved to the Department of Transportation in 1967, and on February 25, 2003 it became part of the Department of Homeland Security.
As members of a military service, Coast Guardsmen on active and reserve service are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice and receive the same pay and allowances as members of the same pay grades in the other four armed services.

http://www.uscg.mil/top/about/

 

[Magnus von Thornwood]

See Aramis. I told you so, nayah!

OK, sorry, but lately I haven't had much chance be smug. Also during the Gulf (war?) Action of 1991 and real live war of 2003 the Coasties got activated and put under the USN, or least that's who had Command and Control, that may have changed what with the US creating it homegrown Gestapo....*shudders*

 

[aramis]

My Coastie buddies have not been answerable to Navy command. And yes, one IS deployed. THe few who are are seconded to the Navy individually to serve as the requisite police authority for searches of US shipping.

THe USCG has been operating outside navy channels since '45, as a service. (During WW2, they were all but absorbed into the USN..)

They are currently separate operationally form the Navy in the same way the Airforce is from the Army. Go do more RELEVANT research...

 

[CosmicGamer]

I don't have to do research but I did look it up so that I could copy the exact wording.

Joint Chiefs of Staff - consists of the following members all appointed by the President and approved by the Senate. Their primary duties are to advise the Chairman and the National Security Council, and they have no authority to command any combatant military unit.

* Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
* Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
* Chief of Staff of the Army
* Chief of Naval Operations
* Chief of Staff of the Air Force
* Commandant of the Marine Corps

The following 3 people report to the Secretary of Defense - the following secretaries are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate:
* Secretary of the Army
* Secretary of the Navy (who is also in charge of the Marine Corps and Coast Guard)
* Secretary of the Air Force

It is at a very high level but, yes, the Coast Guard and the Marine chain of command goes through the Navy.

And to make it even more complicated:

Unified and Specified Operations Commander - Commanders of unified commands are military officers who are placed in command of two or more services assigned under one command (i.e., one general in charge of a combined Army/Air Force task force)

My real life example is the Navy in the Persian Gulf was under the command of an Army General.

oh, btw, the coast guard branches off the chain of command right near the top but the Marines are more part of the Navy than they would like to admit. If a marine tells you that he is not, ask him (or her) to take a good look at their paycheck. About 5 years ago (don't know if it still does) it said "Department of the Navy" on it.

EDIT: another factoid, the coast guard is also normally under the authority of the Department of Transportation.

Note to self: look for info on National Guard