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Ultra-tech food preservation

What advances in food preservation techniques do you think might be appropriate to the various Traveller ultra-tech1 levels?

People like to eat the foods they are familiar with; if they've grown up (perhaps for generations) eating food paste or food bricks, that's what they'd want. However, I'm of the opinion most people in the TU don't eat food pastes or food bricks.

Regional and local cuisine would vary tremendously, but perhaps there's a certain pretty broad cuisine that can be called 'Imperial Cuisine' that is standardized and propagated amongst startowns along trade routes. I imagine a large portion of the Imperial food preservation system would consist of trying to recreate reasonable facsimiles of "Imperial Cuisine."

Food preservation industry's basic goal is to preserve the sensory qualities of what made a food item appetizing in the first place (unless they're marketing green ketchup to kids). The nutritional value of said foodstuff appears to be pretty secondary (you can always add in vitamins afterwards).

I imagine that Traveller's tech would revolve heavily around the phrase "I can't believe it's not ..."

Like perhaps a latticework of proteins that folds like the folds of a map and comes in a packet less than 5mm thick and is quite flexible; it can be rolled up, even folded without too much damage to the finished product. If you add water and heat it, the latticework swells up to have the appearance, flavor, scent, and texture of a delicious freshly-grilled steak. As part of the heating process, eventually the scaffolding proteins break down leaving only the steak. Perhaps something else, made of similar carbohydrates, would swell up to form potatoes. Now, I'm pretty sure people will not consider steak and potatoes to be a great meal so far in the future, but whatever the equivalent is. I doubt it will be food bricks/paste.

Even today, we have (had?) some company that put out a "cheeseburger in a can" for campers. In the future, with advancing technology, something similar might exist, except the taste, consistency, and appearance would hold up much better than it does today.

Other premium methods might be a can that says "oranges" (or whatever). You open the can, one or two fresh oranges (even more fresh than what we get in supermarkets today) rolls out. This, despite the fact they were grown on some world several parsecs distant and spent a month, if not more, sitting in containers on various worlds on the way to you.
 
Epicenter's post is spot on what I had in mind. However, I was hoping for quantitative suggestions like what TL fresh oranges in a can (for example) showed up and what the costs (or more generic cost multipliers) might be.


Hans
 
Other premium methods might be a can that says "oranges" (or whatever). You open the can, one or two fresh oranges (even more fresh than what we get in supermarkets today) rolls out. This, despite the fact they were grown on some world several parsecs distant and spent a month, if not more, sitting in containers on various worlds on the way to you.

I could see that. With micro miniature electronics and machinery at a low cost I could see the addition of miniaturized refrigeration or other preservation means in packaging. Essentially a high tech "smart" package.
 
Regional and local cuisine would vary tremendously, but perhaps there's a certain pretty broad cuisine that can be called 'Imperial Cuisine' that is standardized and propagated amongst startowns along trade routes. I imagine a large portion of the Imperial food preservation system would consist of trying to recreate reasonable facsimiles of "Imperial Cuisine."

Kinda like McSectors Foods company.

In my TU higher ships have Meal Maker machines. You purchase packs in the form of the basic, simple molecular ingredients common to all food. The machine has a programmable menu. It builds meals from the ground up as ordered. It is not instantaneous but takes X amount of time for n meals based on size of unit installed. This comes in ~TL 11. It is pretty indistinguishable from "real" food. Nothing is grown in order to provide the ingredients as it is assembled from amino acids, etc. Most worlds at this TL and above use this and not ag to feed their populations. Wealthy people sometimes choose to eat "real" food but it is VERY costly. There are high end ag businesses that cater to these wealthy.
 
Wealthy people sometimes choose to eat "real" food but it is VERY costly. There are high end ag businesses that cater to these wealthy.

It's a valid view of the future and in many senses, one that is very Traveller considering it's very 1960s sci-fi based. During that period, it was commonly supposed that all foods would be made from basic nutritional stocks that is then colored, textured, and flavored.

I believe that pretty much all survival food would be of this variety. A lot of cheaper foodstuffs would be of this variety as well, perhaps filling much of the "fast food" niche as well as food for the lower classes.

However, I choose to believe that people in the far future, like people today, actually prefer to eat "real food." This would be fed by snobbery in the middle classes (to differentiate themselves from the lower classes) and a desire to ape their social betters. In addition, since the dire predictions of the 1960s and 1970s, the ability of agriculture to produce fresh foods for humans has increased. With the addition of cheap fusion and anti-grav, I envision vast networks of orbital farms, where conditions can be controlled precisely and many factors that make agriculture less productive on planetary surfaces could be eliminated (weather, pests, seasons, etc.); monocultures are not a bad thing when there's literally no parasites or diseases to infect fish/crops/beef/whatever. Terrestrial farming IMTU has completely collapsed on most worlds of TL12 because orbital farms are so much more productive and cheaper after their high set-up costs (and can be kept in use for centuries to pay off their capital invest costs due to the Imperium's reliable / overbuilt Vilani technology).

To liven up these tables even further, there's regional specialties. These being foods that are exported over parsecs yet are sold at prices that are not beyond the reach the middle class (due to economies of mass demand) and are a valid driver of an interstellar economy. The Third Imperium would deliberately foster such marketing to help create the network of trade interdependence that holds the Imperium together. Of course, the rich would want even more exclusive products to differentiate themselves from the middle class. This would also explain part of what these low-tech worlds are exporting to the rest of the Imperium that isn't just ores and so on (which you'd think would be exhausted by about 1100).

To get all these products to market requires increasingly advanced food preservation. I've never really thought about it in terms of costs like Rancke desires, but only in broad strokes. I figure that Imperial food preservation actually happens in three "branches":

Reconstitution, Preservation Chemicals, and Preservation Fields. I won't get into Reconstitution since it isn't really food preservation but food creation.

Preservation Chemicals

TL9 introduces the insanity an item whose implications are poorly explored in Traveller: The Fast Drug. It's probably only going to take a few days for someone in the food preservation industry to realize the benefits of the Fast Drug in food preservation. In fact, it's likely that the Fast Drug is a human-safe derivative of a chemical used in for food preservation. You don't need to go through the huge expense and unavoidable side-effects of sterilization of foodstuffs if you can just prevent the microorganisms from doing anything. It's better than killing them because if you kill them, other chemical reactions occur. They've tried this with refrigeration and freezing for years. Derivatives of the Fast Drug let you do this at whatever temperature you desire. You're not really concerned if the microorganisms are safe and happy with these preservation Fast Drugs; you just want them to stop from doing anything for as long as possible with as little alteration of the desirable qualities of the food, and you want it to be safe for humans.

At TL9, I'd imagine the process is already pretty cheap, however the method of delivery of the chemicals (probably soaking in a bath) and the nature of the chemicals probably do leave a characteristic odor or alteration of the qualities of the preserved item. It's not as bad as freezing, and it keeps for months, however.

TL10-11, The delivery methods become better so it's cheaper. There's slight improvements to the chemicals, mostly involving the cost.

TL11-12, The chemicals begin to break down into (hopefully) non-reactive compounds as they're used up. The flavors of the chemicals become much less pronounced and the delivery systems mature so that they're less intrusive.

TL13-14, The Preservation Field comes into use. This does not actually destroy the Chemical market until TL15. Until then, they work hand-in-hand for the long-term preservation of foodstuffs. By TL14, the technology is fully matured with a variety of chemicals that can be tailored for effect; packagers choose the suite of chemicals that have the least effect on the foodstuff while keeping it preserved for the desired period time. It might be possible to put in a kind of Fast Drug that is totally unreactive with the human body (as well as our flora) into something like whole milk, so that it can be preserved at room temperature in sealed containers for decades with no effect on the taste.

Preservation Fields

I've always imagined around TL13 you have people who start to look into other applications ... Nuclear Damper technology. No seriously, Nuclear Damper technology. It's invented at TL12, so by TL13 I'd imagine it's mature (and cheap enough) so that interested parties can get the proper paperwork to have their own Nuclear Dampers to tinker with. There's a lot of implied science regarding mastering of subatomic and atomic forces that goes into Nuclear Dampers. I figure some of that would be applicable to food preservation, creating a field tailored to greatly retarding the atomic processes that go into enzyme action (which along with micro-organisms are the two pillars of food decay). Of course, it's also quite effective at turning living things into dead things (by blocking basic atomic interactions necessary for life) so be careful.

Unlike Preservation Chemicals, it has the marketing advantage of being "non-physically intrusive" and can be claimed to "leave no residues behind." Of course, some people still don't like it because they don't like "lethal radiation" in their foods.

At TL13, it's probably experimental and stupidly expensive so only the rich would have access to it. It'd be heavy, be a fairly large drain on the power plant, and it's suppression effect wouldn't be great. With a foodstuff in great enough demand, it might actually make Jump-2 Far Traders economical to run - you need to get the stuff to the destination as quickly as possible and the money return might be good enough with luxury foods to warrant it.

By TL14 the cost comes down, it becomes a lot more reliable, and the suppression effect is much more effective. It might get built into a standard-dimension shipping container (fed off of a ship's fusion reactor). It'd probably preserve things at a very fresh level for months on end.

TL15 all of the important parameters continue to improve, but now it can keep things effectively indefinitely provided a trickle of power is fed to the device.

Somewhere down the road perhaps this technology will replace Low Berths as actual biological stasis might be possible, I put this beyond the standard Tech Tree, simply because Low Berths are part of Traveller.
 
It's a valid view of the future and in many senses, one that is very Traveller considering it's very 1960s sci-fi based. During that period, it was commonly supposed that all foods would be made from basic nutritional stocks that is then colored, textured, and flavored.

Not really what I am talking about. I'm not talking "glop" that is flavored & colored. It would be built at the molecular level into actual food that is chemically the same as its "natural" counterpart. I didn't base it off of 60's sci-fi but 21st century early research. The food is real. The texture is there because it is the same. Just the source is different.
 
it may be, but you can bet their will a premium market for "real" food, just like the "organic" market today.

That is what I said. Only more expensive than "organic" is today because of the market forces that would prevail. You can always find suckers willing to pay more for the same item by calling it something else or adding marketing hype to push their buttons.
 
Not really what I am talking about. I'm not talking "glop" that is flavored & colored. It would be built at the molecular level into actual food that is chemically the same as its "natural" counterpart. I didn't base it off of 60's sci-fi but 21st century early research. The food is real. The texture is there because it is the same. Just the source is different.

Hey, don't criticize my soylent! It has that nice pork flavor.

I point out that once you're making the food synthetically, you aren't bound by texture conventions. You can make something with the texture of cheese that tastes like steak, or something with the texture of jello that tastes like a fine wine. You can make something with a chewy steak-like texture that tastes like cantaloupe. You can add complex hints and nuances, a hint of lemon, a wee bit of mint. You can imbue a meat with a bit of a jalapeno flavor for those who like things spicy. There may end up being a premium for synthetic foods - for specific combinations and textures invented by flavor artists and protected by whatever intellectual property rights exist in the Imperium.
 
Hey, don't criticize my soylent! It has that nice pork flavor.

Then you must have used me as an ingredient! I LOVE bacon.

I point out that once you're making the food synthetically, you aren't bound by texture conventions. You can make something with the texture of cheese that tastes like steak, or something with the texture of jello that tastes like a fine wine. You can make something with a chewy steak-like texture that tastes like cantaloupe. You can add complex hints and nuances, a hint of lemon, a wee bit of mint. You can imbue a meat with a bit of a jalapeno flavor for those who like things spicy. There may end up being a premium for synthetic foods - for specific combinations and textures invented by flavor artists and protected by whatever intellectual property rights exist in the Imperium.

Wow, really good ideas. Those I.P. protected cuisine programs will be found on the better Starships. :D
 
Go away for a week and too much turns up in this place...

I think a different term for technology beyond the Imperial range would be useful, but I'm not stuck on 'hypertech'. If anyone has another suggestion for something over and above 'ultratech', feel free to propound it.
Hans

Hans, did you have a look at the TL ranges in the T5 B3 on p504+? They're grouped and are given descriptors. Maybe not the same as GT but it does come from the source.

Epicenter's post is spot on what I had in mind. However, I was hoping for quantitative suggestions like what TL fresh oranges in a can (for example) showed up and what the costs (or more generic cost multipliers) might be.

Hans

As a weapon Statis is listed on p508 at TL21. It would be available earlier in a lower-powered 0-range tool or similar mechanism, so would be able at that point be able to be used for the preservation of food for indefinite periods. It may just be up to one to decide if a warm roast dinner or feast of steaming Vilani kimchis kept their temperature when placed in stasis.

The other thing I noticed is that everyone's been combining the topic of food preservation with that of food replacement or alternatives. Epicenter's comment about people eating what they're used to was great. It was mentioned in another post that people would value hand-made things rather than things made by automatons. If that still holds true, there's a great future for chefs and shigulii, while still leaving room for nutritious food pastes or tablets (all the good stuff you need in a pill, plus a hormone to make you think you've just filled your belly...)
 
I came across this online recently, like about 3 days ago, but I have had the hard copy for a while, purchased used. It does make interesting reading, along with a lot of the earlier Yearbooks.

In the 1951 US Department of Agriculture Yearbook, which can be downloaded here:

https://archive.org/details/yoa1951

and as a US Government Document is copyright-free and in the Public Domain, there is a chapter on how soy sauce is made, pages 357 to 361. It discusses how to make soy sauce, miso or soybean paste, and soybean cheese. I will warn you that if you REALLY like to use soy sauce, you might not want to read about the making of it, sort of like watching sausage being made. However, as I really like Lea & Perrin Worcestershire Sauce, which uses soy sauce, I just have to grin and forget it.

The USDA Yearbooks have quite a bit of information on food processing, no surprise there, both commercial and in the home for those interested in taking a look at them. You can find a good online collection of them here:

https://archive.org/search.php?quer...okofagriculture)+AND+mediatype:(texts)&page=1

They also have a lot of data on forestry, carrying capacity, crops yields, along with plant and animals diseases and pests. All of that is highly useful for world and adventure creation.
 
Another question that comes up: at what point do molecular machines enter food production and preservation? This is something like the idea that we could make pizza off a 3D printer, or fold a stake. One step below the replicator, the goop machine uses base resources to build something that seems like half-decent food.
 
My players latched on to the idea of an "autochef"...

I said that as you went up the tech level, the quality/recognizability of the end product would improve...

Tech 10...maybe earlier since we're playing with 3d printers now...mre quality meat patties and such.

Tech 15...even your mama's home cooking can't compare!

Your mileage may vary.
 
My players latched on to the idea of an "autochef"...

I said that as you went up the tech level, the quality/recognizability of the end product would improve...

Tech 10...maybe earlier since we're playing with 3d printers now...mre quality meat patties and such.

Tech 15...even your mama's home cooking can't compare!

Your mileage may vary.

Hmm, had this thought while making chili for the Chili Cookoff with the Men's Group at my church this evening. There is an old army saying:

God sends the food, but the Devil sends the cooks.

What happens if a vegetarian programs your auto-chef to provide only vegetarian dishes, no synthetic meat at all? Conversely, your group is composed of vegetarians, and the auto-chef is programmed for just about all meals having meat as a part of them? Or if the programmer likes things like Steak and Kidney Pie (note, this DOES NOT refer to Kidney Beans), Haggis, Tofu, or Limburger Cheese while having an allergy to Chocolate and really hates coffee?
 
What happens if a vegetarian programs your auto-chef to provide only vegetarian dishes, no synthetic meat at all? Conversely, your group is composed of vegetarians, and the auto-chef is programmed for just about all meals having meat as a part of them? Or if the programmer likes things like Steak and Kidney Pie (note, this DOES NOT refer to Kidney Beans), Haggis, Tofu, or Limburger Cheese while having an allergy to Chocolate and really hates coffee?

You'd better pray that someone can reprogram the damned thing, and do it well and do it now!

Though, would there be a tech threshold at which tofu and 3d printed steak are relatively indistinguishable?
 
You'd better pray that someone can reprogram the damned thing, and do it well and do it now!

Though, would there be a tech threshold at which tofu and 3d printed steak are relatively indistinguishable?

Probably about TL 10, I would estimate given current trends. I've had textured tofu burger that, while not tasting like steak, had the right texture for ground beef.

Some of the patties have a really good texture, and can almost pass for meat now. (morningstar farms black bean patties are a personal favorite. I sometimes get them outside the religious observance that leaves me vegan about 30 days a year... Texture is very close to McDonalds' patties. taste is good, but not quite meat. Really good with Worcestershire Sauce, pan fried, with a little butter... but that's outside those 30 days.)
 
I have vivid memories of the textured soybean protein hamburgers eaten while in college. Not good memories, but vivid ones. It took a lot of ketchup and pickle relish to make them eatable. Personally, I would have much preferred Spam Burgers to those.

Side note: The Spam Chili I made for the Men's Chili Cook Off at my church went over really well. Not only did I not have any, I wanted to check out the rest, but I did not have any to bring home. From talking with one of the judges, who were all women, it sounds like I almost placed third out of 12. Have to make up another batch.
 
Reminds me of the time I went out for breakfast to this place that offered Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Bacon Spam Spam Spam Eggs Spam and Spam.

Could have even enjoyed it but for the damned vikings singing over by someone else's table...
 
Reminds me of the time I went out for breakfast to this place that offered Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Bacon Spam Spam Spam Eggs Spam and Spam.

Could have even enjoyed it but for the damned vikings singing over by someone else's table...

For all those who do not have the foggiest idea of what Ulsyus is talking about, I give you the Spam Song by Monty Python. One of the greatest wacky skits of all time. (Note: Monty Python and the Holy Grail have some that beat it.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycKNt0MhTkk
 
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