Steyr ACR

[Dragoner]

http://www.steyr-aug.com/acr2002.htm

http://world.guns.ru/assault/at/steyr-acr-e.html

Probably where the ACR and Gauss Rifle were inspired from, the Flechette ammunition in particular.

 

[Otto Harkaman]

Well you got me interested in the whole history of the company. I've always been interested in the Austro-Hungarian Empire and I noticed how long they've been around. Through google maps I could even check out their HQs in Steyr.

Seems they had a very popular pistol used in WWI the Steyr M1912. There was a video on how to fire and reload this weapon on youtube so it gave me the idea of searching for your Steyr ACR

Steyr ACR youtube

 

[aramis]

The ACR appears in the 1978 Mercenary...

The Steyr arises from a late 1980's project, according to your own links.

Otto: great find... notice the diagram of the cartridge at the tail of that video!

 

[Dragoner]

The ACR appears in the 1978 Mercenary...

The Steyr arises from a late 1980's project, according to your own links.

Otto: great find... notice the diagram of the cartridge at the tail of that video!

That iteration is late 80's yes, but the ACR program and use of Flechettes is from the 60's, the program and flechettes were abandoned in the 90's.

 

[Dragoner]

Well you got me interested in the whole history of the company. I've always been interested in the Austro-Hungarian Empire and I noticed how long they've been around. Through google maps I could even check out their HQs in Steyr.

Seems they had a very popular pistol used in WWI the Steyr M1912. There was a video on how to fire and reload this weapon on youtube so it gave me the idea of searching for your Steyr ACR

Steyr ACR youtube

Nice find with the youtube video.

My name Dragoner, from my great grandfather being a captain of dragoons in the kuk before ww1, he was also an officer in an assault battalion at Caporeto, a real Imperial Storm Trooper.

 

[Matt123]

In the NZ Army we were using its predecessor in the mid '80s
http://www.steyr-aug.com/aug_20.htm
It replaced the SLR and M16 then in service.

At the same some we got the Minimi LMG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Minimi
Replacing the Heavy Barreled SLR and WW2 era Bren Gun as the section heavy weapon.

I have no doubt the CT Traveller ACR design was influenced by the Steyr and other bullpup designs of the day. And combat shotguns at the time (I'm pretty sure they dated from the Vietnam era) could fire flechette.

When the Steyr AUG was introduced, we had reservations. We called it the "plastic fantastic". The but-plate had a tendency to fall off if the infantryman wasn't careful in re-assembly, but that eventually got resolved. Looking back, it was advanced for its day & the 1.5 optics, while not having great specs, were pretty rugged and much better than iron sights.

I would like to have a play with the new toy though...

 

[Dragoner]

Myself I prefer the StG 58 over the StG 77 (I have fired both), but I like a full rifle myself.

 

[BlackBat242]

That iteration is late 80's yes, but the ACR program and use of Flechettes is from the 60's, the program and flechettes were abandoned in the 90's.

Again, from your own link (the second one):

The Advanced Combat Rifle program was started by the US Army in the late 1980s with the main goal to improve the hit probability of average infantry soldier by at least 100 percents above the M16A2 capabilities.

Not the 1960s, the late 1980s.

The Advanced Combat Rifle (ACR) was a United States Army program to find a replacement for the M16 assault rifle. The program's total cost is approximately US$300 million. Phase I of the program started in February 1986 when development contracts were placed with six companies: AAI Corporation, Ares Incorporated, Colt's Manufacturing Company, Heckler & Koch (H&K), McDonnell Douglas Helicopter Systems (MDHS), and Steyr Mannlicher.


You are referring to the earlier Special Purpose Individual Weapon (SPIW), which was a long-running United States Army program to develop, in part, a workable flechette-based "rifle", though other concepts were also involved.

However, the idea of a flechette-based individual weapon started in earnest during the Army's Project SALVO. SALVO had earlier concluded that a small weapon with a high rate of fire would be considerably deadlier than the large "full power" weapons being developed in the 1950s, and followed several lines of investigation to find the best way to provide high firing rates.

 

[Otto Harkaman]

my great grandfather being a captain of dragoons in the kuk before ww1, he was also an officer in an assault battalion at Caporeto

I picked up a new book called "White War, Life and Death on the Italian front 1915-1919 several weeks ago, sitting on my desk to be read. That is cool about your grandfather Dragoner! I also have been watching a great old BBC series done in the 60s called "The Great War." I never knew they had shot so much footage of WWI. My family lucked out in both world wars since no one was the right military age, too old, too young. But I do have some German field glasses that were sent to my great grandfather as replacement for binoculars he had donated for the AEF.

 

[Dragoner]

I picked up a new book called "White War, Life and Death on the Italian front 1915-1919 several weeks ago, sitting on my desk to be read. That is cool about your grandfather Dragoner! I also have been watching a great old BBC series done in the 60s called "The Great War." I never knew they had shot so much footage of WWI. My family lucked out in both world wars since no one was the right military age, too old, too young. But I do have some German field glasses that were sent to my great grandfather as replacement for binoculars he had donated for the AEF.

Not so cool was his execution at Mauthausen by the Germans and all of our property confiscated. I have family who fought in both world wars; I used to post more on history and wargame sites when I was more active on the internet, now I just post here for the most part. Traveller is my little secret joy I guess. In my Traveller Universe I often use the old Austro-Hungarian Empire as an example for the Imperium. "The situation is hopeless, but not serious" as the old Habsburg saying goes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.E.I.O.U.

 

[Enoki]

I got to fire the Styer AUG a few times during my time in the military. Hated it worse than the M16.... and that is alot of hate.....

 

[Dragoner]

I've owned a Bushmaster XM15E2, which is basically a M4/M16 civilian model and a Bulgarian SLR95 which is a AK-47 with a hammer forged barrel from Steyr; fired the various other arms like the StG-58 which is a Steyr copy of the FN FAL, fired a H&K G3, AR10, M14 copies, etc. as well as the AUG/StG-77. M16/AUG both have a plastic feel and spring noise. I really liked the M14 copy and the FAL, Steyr's best rifle off the shelf is their bolt action SSG-69, sub-MOA groups at 800m with NATO 7.62.

 

[Starviking]

My family lucked out in both world wars since no one was the right military age, too old, too young.

I'm not sure the term 'lucked out' is the right term - my family has quite a few members who actually lucked out on the Western Front.

 

[nyrath]

There are a few more odd-looking bullpups and assorted off beat weapons here
http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/sidearmslug.php#id--Bullpups

 

[Meteoric Assault]

Nice find with the youtube video.

My name Dragoner, from my great grandfather being a captain of dragoons in the kuk before ww1, he was also an officer in an assault battalion at Caporeto, a real Imperial Storm Trooper.

I have been to the Isonzo Battles ( was stationed in Vicenza which almost the limit of the central powers advance) ... WWI is a special interest of mine... I had a great-grandfather in the Alpenkorps (Jager Bn.10).

 

[Dragoner]

I have been to the Isonzo Battles ( was stationed in Vicenza which almost the limit of the central powers advance) ... WWI is a special interest of mine... I had a great-grandfather in the Alpenkorps (Jager Bn.10).

Grüß Gott! Er was Bayerischer, ja? Where was he from? My family is from Hallein, Salzburgerland. Our Great Grandfathers may have been kameraden.

Here are some links you may find interesting:

http://www.austro-hungarian-army.co.uk/alpenoob.JPG

http://www.austro-hungarian-army.co.uk/alpkorps.htm

My Great Grandfather, was originally in the 4th Dragoons, Wels Kasern. He rejoined them after the disasterous autumn of 1914, only to watch them destroyed in the Brusilov offensive of 1916. Later he commanded a Recon squadron, then an Assault Battalion.

 

[Meteoric Assault]

Grüß Gott! Er was Bayerischer, ja? Where was he from? My family is from Hallein, Salzburgerland. Our Great Grandfathers may have been kameraden.

Here are some links you may find interesting:

http://www.austro-hungarian-army.co.uk/alpenoob.JPG

http://www.austro-hungarian-army.co.uk/alpkorps.htm

My Great Grandfather, was originally in the 4th Dragoons, Wels Kasern. He rejoined them after the disasterous autumn of 1914, only to watch them destroyed in the Brusilov offensive of 1916. Later he commanded a Recon squadron, then an Assault Battalion.

Hannoversches Jäger-Bataillon Nr.10 are from Goslar, Hannover. They were one of the few mountain trained units at the onset of the war. My Grandfather war a NCO who ended the war as a Feldwebelleutnant (kinda a commissioned warrant officer). He fought in the western front 1914, Dolomites in 1915, Serbia, Verdun 1916 (survived unscathed), wounded in Italy 1917, the 1918 western front offensive
and retreated to Germany in 1918 when the armistice was signed. His daughter my grandmother was an American citizen in 1924 by marriage. Ironically his wife was 1/2 Scottish if you can believe it.

the 10th Jagers are the descendants of the King's German Legion who fought for George III vs Napoleon... they carried the battlehonors " Waterloo, Peninsula, etc. and the famous Gibraltar cuff title.

I am an Alpenkorps collector and miniature gamer as well I am familar with the website .. thanks

 

[Dragoner]

Hannoversches Jäger-Bataillon Nr.10 are from Goslar, Hannover. They were one of the few mountain trained units at the onset of the war. My Grandfather war a NCO who ended the war as a Feldwebelleutnant (kinda a commissioned warrant officer). He fought in the western front 1914, Dolomites in 1915, Serbia, Verdun 1916 (survived unscathed), wounded in Italy 1917, the 1918 western front offensive
and retreated to Germany in 1918 when the armistice was signed. His daughter my grandmother was an American citizen in 1924 by marriage. Ironically his wife was 1/2 Scottish if you can believe it.

the 10th Jagers are the descendants of the King's German Legion who fought for George III vs Napoleon... they carried the battlehonors " Waterloo, Peninsula, etc. and the famous Gibraltar cuff title.

I am an Alpenkorps collector and miniature gamer as well I am familar with the website .. thanks

Fascinating stuff, you have done a respectable amount of research. Ah yes, the Harz are quite a bit north.

Coincidentally I have some Scot blood, my father's father was from an American Scottish Clan, pretty much like new world reivers, but that is another story.

 

[Meteoric Assault]

Fascinating stuff, you have done a respectable amount of research. Ah yes, the Harz are quite a bit north.

Coincidentally I have some Scot blood, my father's father was from an American Scottish Clan, pretty much like new world reivers, but that is another story.

Clans: MacLeod, MacDonald (I know they are rivals), Douglas, MacKenzie, Stewart, Urquhart, Ogilvy, MacGregor and of course Wilson... thus any British history scholar can deduce we are Jacobites to the bone. We are also descendants of infamous Douglases and the John Stewart 2nd Earl of Atholl (KIA Flodden 1513). Throw in some Scots-Irish, French Hugenot (huge e nut!) and a good slice of Welsh and la .... soldiering material...
Sound the pipes and blood boils.....

 

[Dragoner]

Clans: MacLeod, MacDonald (I know they are rivals), Douglas, MacKenzie, Stewart, Urquhart, Ogilvy, MacGregor and of course Wilson... thus any British history scholar can deduce we are Jacobites to the bone. We are also descendants of infamous Douglases and the John Stewart 2nd Earl of Atholl (KIA Flodden 1513). Throw in some Scots-Irish, French Hugenot (huge e nut!) and a good slice of Welsh and la .... soldiering material...
Sound the pipes and blood boils.....

The pipes are great! We share some relatives in the MacDonalds, Jacobites for sure (though lets not speak of Culloden). Did you know there was a whole suburb of Danzig I believe, called "Schottland" for it's Scot inhabitants.

My family mostly is from an arc from the Vosges to the Carpatians (Erdely!), many soldiers, though also gentry, my grandmother was baptized at Notre Dame in Paris because Stephansdom in Vienna was too "provincial".