General Stasis Boxes

[gchuck]

Kind of a 'budget' low berth for shipping meat or fresh veggies/fruit back and forth across the 'verse'. Buying or renting big and expensive coolers/freezers, seemed kinda cost/space prohibitive.
Cr50-100 per kg/volume; 50kg =1250Cr, and so on.
Mine is not a 'trading' campaign, so I'm kinda curious how you good people handle perishable cargos?

Comments, concerns, catcalls?

 

[aramis]

Kind of a 'budget' low berth for shipping meat or fresh veggies/fruit back and forth across the 'verse'. Buying or renting big and expensive coolers/freezers, seemed kinda cost/space prohibitive.
Cr50-100 per kg/volume; 50kg =1250Cr, and so on.
Mine is not a 'trading' campaign, so I'm kinda curious how you good people handle perishable cargos?

Comments, concerns, catcalls?

Refer boxes, live fruiting plants.
No stasis in the editions I run.

 

[kilemall]

Stasis to me is Ancients level tech. Reality manipulation or slightly below with cold tech that stops atomic movement wit some incredible thaw tech.

More likely cold berth tech applied to things already dead, the high tech version of Aramis’ reefer.

 

[ady]

Kind of a 'budget' low berth for shipping meat or fresh veggies/fruit back and forth across the 'verse'. Buying or renting big and expensive coolers/freezers, seemed kinda cost/space prohibitive.
Cr50-100 per kg/volume; 50kg =1250Cr, and so on.
Mine is not a 'trading' campaign, so I'm kinda curious how you good people handle perishable cargos?

Comments, concerns, catcalls?

I assume most ship cargo bays have environment controls, so they can be chilled to prolong the life of perishables, or warmed when transporting live cargo. I also assume most cargos come prepacked in cargo containers, as this aids in loading/unloading - (imagine trying to unload 2800 cubic metres of potatoes out of a Fat Trader by hand ). Many of these cargo containers could be sealed and even pressurised (some low grade starports are open to vacuum, have high/low pressure or toxic atmospheres) and capable of maintaining the goods inside, no matter the exterior conditions.

 

[bookwyrm]

1. Live Cargo. This is usually for breeding purposes from one Ag world to another Ag world. Even though this is only a game, this way makes me nervous, because, how many ships crew are trained in transporting live cargo? A ship dedicated to this kind of cargo should/would be used on a regular route. Or for destinations where Fresh is for the Elites.

2. Refrigerator/Freezer/Climate Controlled cargo containers. Good for long distance.

3. Canned & bottled, freeze dried, and other similar. Not all perishables need to be cold to travel. Too much heat is still a no no.

 

[Black Vulmea]

. . . I'm kinda curious how you good people handle perishable cargos?

Fly faster.

I assume most ship cargo bays have environment controls . . .

That's my assumption as well, with temporary partitions to isolate a portion of the cargo bay as well as floor sockets for livestock fencing.

 

[spank]

I assume most ship cargo bays have environment controls, so they can be chilled to prolong the life of perishables, or warmed when transporting live cargo. I also assume most cargos come prepacked in cargo containers, as this aids in loading/unloading - (imagine trying to unload 2800 cubic metres of potatoes out of a Fat Trader by hand ). Many of these cargo containers could be sealed and even pressurised (some low grade starports are open to vacuum, have high/low pressure or toxic atmospheres) and capable of maintaining the goods inside, no matter the exterior conditions.

A refrigerated cargo container would make more sense, that way you can mix perishables, frozen goods, livestock and boxes all in the same cargo hold.

 

[Black Vulmea]

A refrigerated cargo container would make more sense, that way you can mix perishables, frozen goods, livestock and boxes all in the same cargo hold.

Probably not too many of those sitting around on a TL 4 world trying to move its harvest.

Sometimes the hold is the shipping container.

 

[Condottiere]

Seems something you probably could rent or purchase at a starport, assuming that world has one.

 

[mike wightman]

Probably not too many of those sitting around on a TL 4 world trying to move its harvest.

If the world has a starport and exports those goods then the exporter provides the containers.

Sometimes the hold is the shipping container.

And can be climate controlled,

 

[McPerth]

Comments, concerns, catcalls?

Red Dwarf, I guess...

(link to wikipedia)

 

[Enoki]

I would think it'd also depend on what kind of cargo the ship was designed to carry. One type I haven't really seen anyone do is a bulk carrier. This would be a ship with a hold that has a top and bottom cargo hatch, and the bay isn't accessible when filled with cargo, if at all. Such a ship would carry cargos that are simply dumped or poured into the bay like grain, crushed ore, cement, or the like. The top hatch is opened to load, the bottom is opened to empty. All you need is to add gravity.

The ship might have the gear to load, but that is only necessary if it were picking up from a location that didn't have such gear available.

 

[Black Vulmea]

And can be climate controlled,

As noted.

 

[kilemall]

If the world has a starport and exports those goods then the exporter provides the containers.

And can be climate controlled,

I always have the shipper pay for any container rental, not the concern of the ship operator.

I did a whole article on containers and specialized holds and how ship operators can make extra money providing those. Although now that I think on it, too troublesome for most, usually only good for dedicated routes with contracted deliveries.

So I will probably institute something like TTX, a real world railroad company owned by railroads that own specialty railcars and solve several pooling and per Diem rules issues.

TTX Company - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[gchuck]

I'm going to speculate that most (if not all) of the replies are based on being in Imperial space. Specialized containers are rarely if ever available in the 'frontier' setting, >50pc from the Imperial border, and there is the added cost of 'rental'. The OP was based on the 'crew' wanting/being requested to ship small quantities (<500kg) of Rabbuck meat for bribes and spec trading.

'Stasis' may be a bit of a misnomer on further thought, instead of 'electric cooler', but, in the interest of self preservation, it'll probably stay as is.

 

[whartung]

Specialized containers are rarely if ever available in the 'frontier' setting,

Why not? Specialized loads are everywhere. Like ice lading cars in the 1800s. It's not like most of this stuff is high tech (maybe the stasis boxes). Climate control is "easy".

Like the Beast Boxes. Refrigerated containers with rails and hooks specifically designed to transport beast carcasses.

Or Lift Boxes, with a built in lift designed for very heavy cargos that don't stack well. The box is loaded with cargo, then the floor lifts half way. Below is a lockable roller system to slide in more boxes beneath the other ones.

All sorts of things are possible.

 

[kilemall]

Why not? Specialized loads are everywhere. Like ice lading cars in the 1800s. It's not like most of this stuff is high tech (maybe the stasis boxes). Climate control is "easy".

Like the Beast Boxes. Refrigerated containers with rails and hooks specifically designed to transport beast carcasses.

Or Lift Boxes, with a built in lift designed for very heavy cargos that don't stack well. The box is loaded with cargo, then the floor lifts half way. Below is a lockable roller system to slide in more boxes beneath the other ones.

All sorts of things are possible.

Reefer cars started 1870s in the US with intercontinental meat and fruit/vegetables. Not mechanical, no IC refrigeration, they used ice.