Some Interesting Military Data

[Condottiere]

Mobile rations.

 

[Drew]

I have been posting interesting tidbits from the U.S. Army official history of World War 2 in my thread of New Years Resolutions, but this one I thought would be good here.


They were used in the mountainous areas of Italy as the only way to supply the units consistently. From the Quartermaster Corps in the War Against Germany.

Side Note: As a former Quartermaster officer, I keep thinking that an appropriate coat of arms would be a pack mule.

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The M274 1/2T or Mule. I got rid of them while I was a mortar platoon leader when I was in Panama. I went to the M561 Gamma Goat.

 

[Timerover51]

Here is a change of pace. A couple of cartoons produced in World War 2, one by Disney Corporation, which might have characters familiar to many. Then there is Popeye the Sailor Man. I keep telling my wife that I would make Popeye proud of me for eating my spinach.

Seven Wise Dwarfs : Walt Disney Studios : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

In 1941 Walt Disney produced this short film, which promotes Canadian War Bonds, for the Canadian government. As always, any error or typo is mine and if you...

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Spinach Fer Britain : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Popeye vs. a U-boat. As always, any error or typo is mine and if you enjoy my uploads or if you intend to make $ or otherwise profit from these files, please...

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And then there is Private McGillicuddy of the Marines.

Private McGillicuddy - Commandments For Health: Native Food : United States. Navy : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

U.S. Navy animated training film by Hugh Harman Productions. Features the character Private McGillicuddy. Used to train U.S. Marines to not eat indigenous...

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[Kakistocrat]

Here is a change of pace. A couple of cartoons produced in World War 2, […]

A collection of Private Snafu cartoons from 1943–1946 is also available as .zip archives, either in H.264 IA format or in MPEG 4 format.

 

[Timerover51]

A collection of Private Snafu cartoons from 1943–1946 is also available as .zip archives, either in H.264 IA format or in MPEG 4 format.

Found them on archive.org. Thanks for reminding me of them.

 

[Timerover51]

The following statement comes from Olga Greenlaw's book, The Lady and the Tigers, the Tigers referred to being the men of the Flying Tigers of World War 2 fame. Olga's husband, Harvey, was Claire Chennault's Chief of Staff, and Olga was in charge of keeping the official War Diary of the American Volunteer Group, as the Flying Tigers were officially known. As such, she was on the AVG staff, along with her husband.

Generals Scott [Commander-in-Chief of the British Frontier Force of the Burma Division] and McLeod [then Commander-in-Chief of the Burma forces] were two as charming gentlemen as you'd wish to meet—mannerly, interesting when they wanted to be, honorable to the nth degree. But I was afraid that they hadn't the faintest idea of what was going on right under their noses—or of what the terrible future held in store for them. They honestly anticipated no trouble from the Japanese. Subsequent events proved their forces were woefully inadequate, that the loyalty of the Burmese troops was questionable. They did not know, as was proven later, that the Burmese were sheltering dozens and scores of Japs who mingled with the natives dressed as Burmans and were making themselves generally useful to the Emperor. These two charming gentlemen knew Singapore was impregnable, that Britanaia ruled the waves and that the Japanese were much too smart to ever attempt to challenge the authority of their white masters. These things they knew for sure. No amount of argument or logic could have changed their opinions one single little jot. And these were the men who held in their hands the destiny of China's precarious life line, the Burma Road!

The book can be found on archive.org, and does present a very different view than the standard histories of the Flying Tigers. Unfortunately, neither of the two copies are in copy and paste format, so if you want that, you will have to run them through an OCR program like I did. For a brief history of the AVG, you can go here.

The Flying Tigers : Chennault's American volunteer group in China : Eisel, Braxton : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Despite incredible odds against them from numerically superior Japanese forces and a near complete lack of supply and replacement parts, they took the first...

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[Condottiere]

The Japanese infiltrated Malaya and Singapore rather thoroughly, prewar.

As barbers, travelling salesmen, prostitutes, they set up listening posts, and reported military movements, as well as officers' gossip.

My feeling is the confiscation of local bicycles was preplanned, plus charting out jungle paths.

 

[Spinward Flow]

But I was afraid that they hadn't the faintest idea of what was going on right under their noses—or of what the terrible future held in store for them. They honestly anticipated no trouble from the Japanese. Subsequent events proved their forces were woefully inadequate, that the loyalty of the Burmese troops was questionable.
[...]
These two charming gentlemen knew Singapore was impregnable, that Britanaia ruled the waves and that the Japanese were much too smart to ever attempt to challenge the authority of their white masters. These things they knew for sure. No amount of argument or logic could have changed their opinions one single little jot.

 

[Condottiere]

The British were playing for time, the one resource you shouldn't waste, and can't recover.

They should have gone for continuous rearmament, instead of setting up a policy that assumed that they can see a war coming in ten years, and prepare for it.

 

[Timerover51]

The British were playing for time, the one resource you shouldn't waste, and can't recover.

They should have gone for continuous rearmament, instead of setting up a policy that assumed that they can see a war coming in ten years, and prepare for it.

You can chalk that up to Neville Chamberlain, the Chancellor of the Exchequer from November of 1931 to May of 1937, at which point he became Prime Minister. History knows how that turned out.

 

[Condottiere]

Chamberlain tends to be overly maligned.


The Ten Year Rule was a British government guideline, first adopted in August 1919, that the armed forces should draft their estimates "on the assumption that the British Empire would not be engaged in any great war during the next ten years".[1]

The suggestion for the rule came from Winston Churchill, who in 1919 was Secretary of State for War and Air. In a Commons debate in August 1919, Prime Minister David Lloyd George referenced recommendations made by the Duke of Wellington following the end of the Napoleonic Wars: "There is not likely to be great eagerness for war in this generation."[2]

Former Prime Minister Arthur Balfour rejected the proposal but unsuccessfully argued to the Committee of Imperial Defence, which adopted the rule, that "nobody could say that from any one moment war was an impossibility for the next ten years ... we could not rest in a state of unpreparedness on such an assumption by anybody. To suggest that we could be nine and a half years away from preparedness would be a most dangerous suggestion."[3]

In 1928 Churchill, as Chancellor of the Exchequer, successfully urged the Cabinet to make the rule self-perpetuating, and hence it was in force unless specifically countermanded. In 1931 the Prime Minister Ramsay MacDonald wanted to abolish the Ten Year Rule because he thought it unjustified based on the international situation. This was bitterly opposed by the Foreign Secretary Arthur Henderson who succeeded in keeping the rule.[4]

 

[Timerover51]

An interesting comment by Sir Charles Oman which appears in his A History of the Peninsular War, Volume 6, on page 434. This takes place following the Battle of Vittoria, which the French lost to Wellington.

And of the miscellaneous French and Spanish hangers-on of the Court—ministers, courtiers, clerks, commissaries, contractors, and the ladies who in legitimate or illegitimate capacities followed them—few had dared to go off unescorted on an early start.

Emphasis added.

Mike, I am reading this in addition to the Army Official Histories. A change in pace, as it were.

 

[Dragoner]

I used to give some vets at the rest home near me a ride down to the VFW for baked steak night, and one guy was a Ranger at D Day, and he was talking about his map, and another down the table, said he was Airborne there and he had a map too. Next time they both brought in their maps, they were in map cases with a clear cover, and transcribed from photo-recon, they had every tree, house, rock, ditch, and everything. They said if you unfolded them, they were as big as a room. Pretty amazing to see D Day that up close.

 

[Timerover51]

I used to give some vets at the rest home near me a ride down to the VFW for baked steak night, and one guy was a Ranger at D Day, and he was talking about his map, and another down the table, said he was Airborne there and he had a map too. Next time they both brought in their maps, they were in map cases with a clear cover, and transcribed from photo-recon, they had every tree, house, rock, ditch, and everything. They said if you unfolded them, they were as big as a room. Pretty amazing to see D Day that up close.

That is fantastic that they still had their maps.

 

[Drew]

They said if you unfolded them, they were as big as a room. Pretty amazing to see D Day that up close. Sounds like the size of the maps that we used at NTC. It is one thing to measure when you are walking the ground versus whizzing by in a tank. Thank the gods we have GPS now.

 

[Dragoner]

I think they had numbers on them for registering fire.

 

[Drew]

I think they had numbers on them for registering fire.

Grid coordinates Vertical and Horizontal (X and Y). Until GPS came along you used either the M16 Plotting Board or a Graphic Firing Fan to calculate the range to target. We also had target reference points (i.e. a crossroads or other physical feature) so that we could fire quickly when the fire request came in.
We had firing tables for the calculation of the angle of the tube as well as the number of bags of powder or cheeses (4.2" or 107mm mortar). We used a homemade table (it was a C ration box lid and we used either a five or a zero) for the range/charge. Faster than going through the book.

 

[Timerover51]

I found an interesting book online at Project Gutenberg that I am going through. It is titled: THE ARMY
BEHIND THE ARMY BY MAJOR E. ALEXANDER POWELL U. S. A. The book was published in 1919, and has a lot of very interesting data in it. Here are some samples.

When Count von Bernstorff was handed his passports in the spring of 1917, the Signal Corps consisted of barely 50 officers and about 2,500 men. When, nineteen months later, the German delegates, standing about a table in Marshal Foch’s private car, sullenly affixed their signatures to the Armistice, the corps had grown to nearly 2,800 officers and upward of 53,000 men. It comprised at the close of the war seventy-one field signal battalions, thirty-four telegraph battalions, twenty replacement and training battalions, and fifty-two service companies, together with several pigeon and army radio companies, a photographic section, and a meteorological section.

Not many people are aware, I imagine, that nearly a third of the officers and men who wore on their collars the little crossed flags of the Signal Corps were recruited from the employees of the two great rival telephone systems of the United States—the Bell and the Independent.

Then, of course, there was a need for horses.

And replacements were, of necessity, frequent, it having been estimated that the average life of a horse in France was only sixteen days. There were organized at Camp Johnston a total of sixty-three Field Remount Squadrons, three wagon companies, and twelve pack-trains, of which all but seventeen squadrons saw service abroad. The enlisted personnel of these squadrons consisted of drafted men who were carefully selected because of their knowledge of horses, most of them having been farmers, ranchmen, cow-punchers, and, in a few cases, jockeys. Provision was also made for training the enlisted specialists attached to each squadron, schools being established for horse-shoers, saddlers, farriers, teamsters, and squadron clerks. (Bold face courtesy of me.)

As the 1st World War army spent a lot of time marching, there was the problem of shoes and boots.

This was particularly true of the men’s feet, for after a few long hikes with a full pack, a recruit could not squeeze his feet into shoes of a size which he had theretofore worn with perfect comfort. This meant that an entire new series of models and lasts had to be made, running up to unheard-of sizes, as, for example, 17-EEE! The standard sizes of the army shoe at present range in length from 5 to 15 and in width from A to EE, thus making it necessary to carry each style of shoe in one hundred and twenty sizes.