Why is there a Terran game preserve coreward of the Vargr Extents? When did this come about?
Solomani Preserve?
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Unofficial sectors are unofficial.
I get that, but what's the idea behind them?
Solomani Preserve
The Solomani Preserve is the brainchild development of Thaku Fung Sector by WingedCat after he conducted extensive research and collaboration with other contributors.
Learn more here:
http://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Solomani_Preserve
The development of the sector also spills over into Datsatl Sector.
These extremely coreward sectors have long laid fallow and underdeveloped. At last, contributors like Winged Cat are putting forth written and well-thought data, history and continuation considerations (Empress Wave and Virus) into sectors long labeled underdeveloped.
I myself had some disbelief and reticence that the Vargr Extents could be penetrated by refugee Solomani (and picked-up stragglers of the Long Night) and settle in Thaku Fung.
Yes, the sector is Unofficial. Yes, it is not yet accepted into canon. The individual Referee is always free to remove from their headcanon these polities from Charted Space. TravellerMap has sectors that have been deemed Official. It will almost certainly feature sectors that will remain Unofficial for indeterminate amount of time.
It is my opinion that this development, even if it trips my personal Disbelief, is welcome where before a vacuum of nothingness exists in a coreward sector that the mainstream Traveller fan cares little to nothing about.
Live from Ksinanirz Sector, this is the Pakkrat
The Solomani Preserve is the brainchild development of Thaku Fung Sector by WingedCat after he conducted extensive research and collaboration with other contributors.
Learn more here:
http://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Solomani_Preserve
The development of the sector also spills over into Datsatl Sector.
These extremely coreward sectors have long laid fallow and underdeveloped. At last, contributors like Winged Cat are putting forth written and well-thought data, history and continuation considerations (Empress Wave and Virus) into sectors long labeled underdeveloped.
I myself had some disbelief and reticence that the Vargr Extents could be penetrated by refugee Solomani (and picked-up stragglers of the Long Night) and settle in Thaku Fung.
Yes, the sector is Unofficial. Yes, it is not yet accepted into canon. The individual Referee is always free to remove from their headcanon these polities from Charted Space. TravellerMap has sectors that have been deemed Official. It will almost certainly feature sectors that will remain Unofficial for indeterminate amount of time.
It is my opinion that this development, even if it trips my personal Disbelief, is welcome where before a vacuum of nothingness exists in a coreward sector that the mainstream Traveller fan cares little to nothing about.
Live from Ksinanirz Sector, this is the Pakkrat
Winged Cat
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It's not a game preserve. It's a preserve of Solomani themselves, intending to preserve their heritage and culture from potential Vilani conquest. They knew of other efforts that fled rimward; they decided to go coreward just in case the prior rimward efforts were not enough, putting the Vargr Extents between them and the Vilani.
They nominally succeeded after an epic effort, though they were eventually rediscovered. And they found out they were not alone out there.
As Pakkrat linked to, more information is on the wiki. I am currently writing up their neighboring two sectors to spinward (Gakghang & Datsatl); I plan to outline the polities on the wiki prior to having all the data on Travellermap. Part of the setting is slated to appear in an upcoming JTAS (background info on a land grab in Datsatl for the Steppehauler article).
Even though it is unofficial data, I am aware of multiple campaigns that people have started from the Solomani Preserve setting in the past approximately half year since it was added to Travellermap. Inspiring people to play was one of the main objectives.
They nominally succeeded after an epic effort, though they were eventually rediscovered. And they found out they were not alone out there.
As Pakkrat linked to, more information is on the wiki. I am currently writing up their neighboring two sectors to spinward (Gakghang & Datsatl); I plan to outline the polities on the wiki prior to having all the data on Travellermap. Part of the setting is slated to appear in an upcoming JTAS (background info on a land grab in Datsatl for the Steppehauler article).
Even though it is unofficial data, I am aware of multiple campaigns that people have started from the Solomani Preserve setting in the past approximately half year since it was added to Travellermap. Inspiring people to play was one of the main objectives.
Interesting. Imagine a misjump of some Vilani crewed type-R, and they come in on final approach over someplace called Neo-Paris, complete with a neon lit Eiffel Tower nested among arcologies … interesting.
GypsyComet
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As a preliminary thought, the fact that such a thing has been discovered by the Imperial Survey Office and put on a map means that its first line of defense has already failed.
From virus or just in general?
GypsyComet
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In general. Knowledge of such a place makes it a target.
Virus can arrive by chance. All it takes is one infected ship. If one of the remote Vargr polities knew of the place and that info was in a ship taken by Virus, then the local Virii would know about it. Some would go looking...
The Wave will get the place regardless, and by the 1100s already has been and gone.
Despite all that, I think Human Nature will have doomed this experiment early. The state that may exist in the 1100s is only vaguely related to the state founded almost 3000 years prior.
Interesting. If a "preserve" were to exist, then I would think it more logical to place it rimward than coreward. Just my two imperial credits.
GypsyComet
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Agreed. This smacks more of a desperate attempt by already emigrated Solomani than of an effort directly from Terra. Once the Terrans have discovered that the Vilani are present for hundreds of light years to coreward, serious preservationist/prepper types would have gone Rimward instead.
As a deep recon mission during the ISW period that went poorly and needed to go to ground to preserve OpSec (or what they thought was OpSec), it makes slightly more sense. There was never a recovery mission.
It is worth noting that the period they are supposed to have been placed/settled/etc was before Vargr/Zhodani contact, with Vargr/Vilani contact still in the Space Pirates stage.
It is also of note that the Yaskoydri storyline as presented in 1248 materials is no longer the accepted Canon. While something like it could be maintained, I think that part of 1248 and of the history of this "preserve" must be taken as Subjective History.
Well, I'm not too familiar with T4 stuff, much less TNE, but, were I a Solomani doomsday prepper type, I'd probably grab a surplus type-S, have a team of mechanics go over it, then stuff the hold with dehydrated fare like apples and protein bars. Then fuel up and make a B-line for the Persues Arm, find a nice Neptune sized gas giant, dive into its ocean, and sit out the rest of my life with a bunch of holo vids.
That's crazy enough, but I wouldn't waste my time vagabonding with a cult headed for wherever. I would think the safest place to be would be Hiver Space considering how radically different their tech must be to suit them and integrate them with the rest of known space.
Just my thoughts for the day.
That's crazy enough, but I wouldn't waste my time vagabonding with a cult headed for wherever. I would think the safest place to be would be Hiver Space considering how radically different their tech must be to suit them and integrate them with the rest of known space.
Just my thoughts for the day.
Humaniti? Logical?
"They plowed through our space as quietly as they could, hoping we'd not notice. When the Akumgeda and Gvegh stopped them in Ksinanirz Sector, the Solomani pulled a pity story out of their tail-less backsides about how oppressed they were and could they please have passage through coreward and never return? The Gvegh were about to say no; go home Humans or be eaten. (It was what the Imperials called the Vargr Pillaging era after all.) But then the Akumgeda of the Kechk Reversion broke off from the Kechk Pact and there was chaos. The sob story worked on the ostracized Akumgeda who remembered how they too were sent packing from Lair so very long ago. The Gvegh had to do damage control to keep the Pact and the Reversion from truly wiping each other out. In the confusion, the Solomani and their hitchhiking Vilani and others slipped from the subsector and fled coreward.
You ask why they came coreward instead of fleeing rimward? They knew us Vargr would not let a second group on such a low-Charisma, pity party, woe-is-me, omega whine as the Humaniti making up the Solomani Preserve through. That low, dust-eating grovel was what undid us.
Never again after the Solomani Preserve has another hopeless case of exodus Humaniti fled coreward through the Vargr Extents or the Vargr Enclaves."
"They plowed through our space as quietly as they could, hoping we'd not notice. When the Akumgeda and Gvegh stopped them in Ksinanirz Sector, the Solomani pulled a pity story out of their tail-less backsides about how oppressed they were and could they please have passage through coreward and never return? The Gvegh were about to say no; go home Humans or be eaten. (It was what the Imperials called the Vargr Pillaging era after all.) But then the Akumgeda of the Kechk Reversion broke off from the Kechk Pact and there was chaos. The sob story worked on the ostracized Akumgeda who remembered how they too were sent packing from Lair so very long ago. The Gvegh had to do damage control to keep the Pact and the Reversion from truly wiping each other out. In the confusion, the Solomani and their hitchhiking Vilani and others slipped from the subsector and fled coreward.
You ask why they came coreward instead of fleeing rimward? They knew us Vargr would not let a second group on such a low-Charisma, pity party, woe-is-me, omega whine as the Humaniti making up the Solomani Preserve through. That low, dust-eating grovel was what undid us.
Never again after the Solomani Preserve has another hopeless case of exodus Humaniti fled coreward through the Vargr Extents or the Vargr Enclaves."
Would any Vargr really use the Terran Alpha Omega scientific nomenclature?
Winged Cat
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Yes, and the Preserve is quite on edge from that as of 1105 - especially since this just happened in 1104. It was a good first line of defense, with a long run, but it did not last forever.
Indeed, by 1105 the Wave has already washed over them. They lost a lot of worlds - which they intend to reclaim someday, once they have patched up what worlds they still have.
It is safe to say that the thing that calls itself the Solomani Preserve in 1105 is the descendant of that which called itself the Solomani Preserve when Havensmith was founded. Pick any given century and you will find some change - some centuries more than others.
Perhaps if they were the only ones. However, they knew (or believed) there already were other efforts to rimward, and elected to be a backup to those.
Indeed. Writing this up was started before it became more widely known that 1248 was no longer canon. So what the Yaskoydri claim is...what they claim as of 1105 or so. It is not necessarily the truth.
What the canon truth will be, probably can not be established until the Galaxiad comes out and we get a solid canon answer to things like how the Wave actually started and who the Empress in the Wave corresponds to (if anyone).
That said, that there is yet another human race named "Yaskoydri" who came from far to coreward, and think they were under instruction from Grandfather (and that they were given jump drive, making them a minor race), does not seem to conflict canon.
Did they use it, or was this just how their words got translated to Anglic?
Traveller quirks
I'm thinking any software worth its salt would find a more proper idiom than "Alpha Male". I don't know, the whole thing seems a bit far fetched (no pun intended), but I'll wait until whatever write up is done to explain the whole thing.
I guess I'm just a little perplexed how Vargr space and beyond gets all mapped out, and K'Kree space has gaping dominion sized holes in it. I guess it's just another Traveller quirk, like jump torpedoes or the Kinunir class "frontier" cruiser.
I'm thinking any software worth its salt would find a more proper idiom than "Alpha Male". I don't know, the whole thing seems a bit far fetched (no pun intended), but I'll wait until whatever write up is done to explain the whole thing.
I guess I'm just a little perplexed how Vargr space and beyond gets all mapped out, and K'Kree space has gaping dominion sized holes in it. I guess it's just another Traveller quirk, like jump torpedoes or the Kinunir class "frontier" cruiser.
Interest + time + ability.
Also, most of Vargr space is randomly generated with limited manual adjustment, by John Wood many years ago. Others have tweaked and dropped things in to this wild frontier, and I'm trying not to curate with too much of an opinion. K'kree space is going to necessarily be samey-samey and boring, but it is getting worked on by an author, time permitting.
mike wightman
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Nope, and the whole idea of alpha males within wolf communities was refuted by the same guy who proposed it - it doesn't exist except in pop culture.
Very interesting. I didn't know that. Thanks.
Condottiere
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The Vargr conveniently evolved their psychology, societies and cultures to neatly fit in with our preconceived prejudices.
Or the Ancients did.
Or the Ancients did.
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