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Skill Advancement Rules

Perhaps I am over-rating, but I don't think so based on the task difficulties and things like the ratings they give people coming out of medical school, college, various training schools, pilot training, etc.

I'm assuming no skill levels over 4 for anyone, and I'd have said 3 is masters level, not doctoral. You typically can end up with Med-3 or Med-4 and be a 'medical doctor' and that is (to my mind) Master's Equivalent. Be that as it may, I stand by my description. Most of the skills are level 1 in my ratings. People tend to have far broader skill ranges than traveller PCs.

My rating is based on:
1 - competent to work in a field, but not at an exeedingly profficient level
2 - experienced in the field or skill, quite familiar with it, though not yet a master
3 - well on the way to mastery of the skill, capable of working at a high level of profficiency and obtaining jobs accoringly related
4 - a master of the skill, be that a doctor of some branch of science, an experienced MD, a black belt in some martial art, a sniper-qualified marksman, etc.

Now, using these rough guides, I quantified the people I knew. But the majority of skills were level 1 (I didn't count the level 0 skills in my tallies). And in the event that I'm on the high side of estimates, you could still knock 10 off of most of these totals and be above what Traveller would allow.

So I stand by my statement that the game doesn't model real people all that well. Now, that's hardly a unique condemnation, as I've seen few that do. Real people who have varied experience and training tend to be more capable than the average game character.
 
Perhaps I am over-rating, but I don't think so based on the task difficulties and things like the ratings they give people coming out of medical school, college, various training schools, pilot training, etc.

I'm assuming no skill levels over 4 for anyone, and I'd have said 3 is masters level, not doctoral. You typically can end up with Med-3 or Med-4 and be a 'medical doctor' and that is (to my mind) Master's Equivalent. Be that as it may, I stand by my description. Most of the skills are level 1 in my ratings. People tend to have far broader skill ranges than traveller PCs.

My rating is based on:
1 - competent to work in a field, but not at an exeedingly profficient level
2 - experienced in the field or skill, quite familiar with it, though not yet a master
3 - well on the way to mastery of the skill, capable of working at a high level of profficiency and obtaining jobs accoringly related
4 - a master of the skill, be that a doctor of some branch of science, an experienced MD, a black belt in some martial art, a sniper-qualified marksman, etc.

Now, using these rough guides, I quantified the people I knew. But the majority of skills were level 1 (I didn't count the level 0 skills in my tallies). And in the event that I'm on the high side of estimates, you could still knock 10 off of most of these totals and be above what Traveller would allow.

So I stand by my statement that the game doesn't model real people all that well. Now, that's hardly a unique condemnation, as I've seen few that do. Real people who have varied experience and training tend to be more capable than the average game character.
 
Perhaps I am over-rating, but I don't think so based on the task difficulties and things like the ratings they give people coming out of medical school, college, various training schools, pilot training, etc.

I'm assuming no skill levels over 4 for anyone, and I'd have said 3 is masters level, not doctoral. You typically can end up with Med-3 or Med-4 and be a 'medical doctor' and that is (to my mind) Master's Equivalent. Be that as it may, I stand by my description. Most of the skills are level 1 in my ratings. People tend to have far broader skill ranges than traveller PCs.

My rating is based on:
1 - competent to work in a field, but not at an exeedingly profficient level
2 - experienced in the field or skill, quite familiar with it, though not yet a master
3 - well on the way to mastery of the skill, capable of working at a high level of profficiency and obtaining jobs accoringly related
4 - a master of the skill, be that a doctor of some branch of science, an experienced MD, a black belt in some martial art, a sniper-qualified marksman, etc.

Now, using these rough guides, I quantified the people I knew. But the majority of skills were level 1 (I didn't count the level 0 skills in my tallies). And in the event that I'm on the high side of estimates, you could still knock 10 off of most of these totals and be above what Traveller would allow.

So I stand by my statement that the game doesn't model real people all that well. Now, that's hardly a unique condemnation, as I've seen few that do. Real people who have varied experience and training tend to be more capable than the average game character.
 
This looks like a fun idea - here's my self rated skills:

Str 7 Dex 7 End 5 (overweight) Int ? (cant say - I get in the 135-140 range on IQ tests) Edu B? Soc 8

History 4 (BA, MA, PhD and a number of published articles - but only on the English Revolution) Research 3 (see before + have worked on a number of long term research projects) Instruction 1 (Former college lecturer - not that brilliant at it) Legal 3 (I'm a practicing trial lawyer ) Persuasion 1 Interrogation 1 Liaison 1(see before, would like to say higher but probably not) Admin 2 (Lots of forms to fill in) Ground Car 1 Shotgun 1 (clay pigeon shooting lessons when younger - still can hit today)

On the Int + Edu basis I would therefore need an Int of at least 7. In some respects I think the Int + Edu cap on skills works for academic types like myself, but it doesnt work for mechs farmers or techs as they have skills that are not Int or Edu based.

What do others think about themselves?
 
This looks like a fun idea - here's my self rated skills:

Str 7 Dex 7 End 5 (overweight) Int ? (cant say - I get in the 135-140 range on IQ tests) Edu B? Soc 8

History 4 (BA, MA, PhD and a number of published articles - but only on the English Revolution) Research 3 (see before + have worked on a number of long term research projects) Instruction 1 (Former college lecturer - not that brilliant at it) Legal 3 (I'm a practicing trial lawyer ) Persuasion 1 Interrogation 1 Liaison 1(see before, would like to say higher but probably not) Admin 2 (Lots of forms to fill in) Ground Car 1 Shotgun 1 (clay pigeon shooting lessons when younger - still can hit today)

On the Int + Edu basis I would therefore need an Int of at least 7. In some respects I think the Int + Edu cap on skills works for academic types like myself, but it doesnt work for mechs farmers or techs as they have skills that are not Int or Edu based.

What do others think about themselves?
 
This looks like a fun idea - here's my self rated skills:

Str 7 Dex 7 End 5 (overweight) Int ? (cant say - I get in the 135-140 range on IQ tests) Edu B? Soc 8

History 4 (BA, MA, PhD and a number of published articles - but only on the English Revolution) Research 3 (see before + have worked on a number of long term research projects) Instruction 1 (Former college lecturer - not that brilliant at it) Legal 3 (I'm a practicing trial lawyer ) Persuasion 1 Interrogation 1 Liaison 1(see before, would like to say higher but probably not) Admin 2 (Lots of forms to fill in) Ground Car 1 Shotgun 1 (clay pigeon shooting lessons when younger - still can hit today)

On the Int + Edu basis I would therefore need an Int of at least 7. In some respects I think the Int + Edu cap on skills works for academic types like myself, but it doesnt work for mechs farmers or techs as they have skills that are not Int or Edu based.

What do others think about themselves?
 
Originally posted by Elliot:
This looks like a fun idea - here's my self rated skills:

Str 7 Dex 7 End 5 (overweight) Int ? (cant say - I get in the 135-140 range on IQ tests) Edu B? Soc 8

History 4 (BA, MA, PhD and a number of published articles - but only on the English Revolution) Research 3 (see before + have worked on a number of long term research projects) Instruction 1 (Former college lecturer - not that brilliant at it) Legal 3 (I'm a practicing trial lawyer ) Persuasion 1 Interrogation 1 Liaison 1(see before, would like to say higher but probably not) Admin 2 (Lots of forms to fill in) Ground Car 1 Shotgun 1 (clay pigeon shooting lessons when younger - still can hit today)

On the Int + Edu basis I would therefore need an Int of at least 7. In some respects I think the Int + Edu cap on skills works for academic types like myself, but it doesnt work for mechs farmers or techs as they have skills that are not Int or Edu based.

What do others think about themselves?
Working off the T5 rate yourself stuff in the back of the chargen section and trying to be objective somewhat. :)

Elliot with your Educational background you would at the very least be a B if you did independant reading/learning much and graduated honors anywhere down the line you make either a C or D.

That kind of IQ in the self-test you easily make your intelligence somewhat equal to your edu! Yeah, maybe Marc was being easy in his testing ideas I think. However, how many people have that high of an IQ and a PHD .. not many.

Thought about this the other day:

Service: IT cube slave
Rank: BOFH (Bastard Operator from Hell)

Str 5 (need to work out) Dex 6 End 5 Int A (ignoring the T5 gimme nonsense questions) Edu A (College grad lots of independant reading graduated honors in HS) Soc A (Based on income in T5 rate yourself)

Skills rating goes for me
undergrad = 2
Masters level = 3
PHD = 4 or above

Skills: History -2 (BA History), Instruction -2 (BS in Education), Steward - 2 (grew up in restaurant), Wheeled vehicle - 1, Literature -1 (English minor individual study on top), Computer - 3 (Unix sysadmin Solaris Certified 8 years exp. maybe 4?), Shotgun - 1 (use to hunt a lot), Brawling - 1 (took Muay Thai for a year), Fencing -1 (was on the Fencing team saber one year in college), Research - 1 (did lots of research as a history major and english minor and unix troubleshooting), Electronics - 1 (I worked at a game room and soldered boards and fixed games), Legal - 1 (certified as a paralegal before I got into Computer industry), Admin - 1 (working for many Megacorps), Leadership -1 (managed a help desk for a year before I went into sysadmining)

19 skills two below my max with INT+EDU rules but spread over a wide range of skills.

On edit: Elliot suggested bonuses on INT and EDU (mustering out bonus :) ) did not kick EDU beyond ten simply because double undergrad degree bonuses don't count as high as Master's and converted all values needed to hexadecimel. I also added service and rank.
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Originally posted by Elliot:
This looks like a fun idea - here's my self rated skills:

Str 7 Dex 7 End 5 (overweight) Int ? (cant say - I get in the 135-140 range on IQ tests) Edu B? Soc 8

History 4 (BA, MA, PhD and a number of published articles - but only on the English Revolution) Research 3 (see before + have worked on a number of long term research projects) Instruction 1 (Former college lecturer - not that brilliant at it) Legal 3 (I'm a practicing trial lawyer ) Persuasion 1 Interrogation 1 Liaison 1(see before, would like to say higher but probably not) Admin 2 (Lots of forms to fill in) Ground Car 1 Shotgun 1 (clay pigeon shooting lessons when younger - still can hit today)

On the Int + Edu basis I would therefore need an Int of at least 7. In some respects I think the Int + Edu cap on skills works for academic types like myself, but it doesnt work for mechs farmers or techs as they have skills that are not Int or Edu based.

What do others think about themselves?
Working off the T5 rate yourself stuff in the back of the chargen section and trying to be objective somewhat. :)

Elliot with your Educational background you would at the very least be a B if you did independant reading/learning much and graduated honors anywhere down the line you make either a C or D.

That kind of IQ in the self-test you easily make your intelligence somewhat equal to your edu! Yeah, maybe Marc was being easy in his testing ideas I think. However, how many people have that high of an IQ and a PHD .. not many.

Thought about this the other day:

Service: IT cube slave
Rank: BOFH (Bastard Operator from Hell)

Str 5 (need to work out) Dex 6 End 5 Int A (ignoring the T5 gimme nonsense questions) Edu A (College grad lots of independant reading graduated honors in HS) Soc A (Based on income in T5 rate yourself)

Skills rating goes for me
undergrad = 2
Masters level = 3
PHD = 4 or above

Skills: History -2 (BA History), Instruction -2 (BS in Education), Steward - 2 (grew up in restaurant), Wheeled vehicle - 1, Literature -1 (English minor individual study on top), Computer - 3 (Unix sysadmin Solaris Certified 8 years exp. maybe 4?), Shotgun - 1 (use to hunt a lot), Brawling - 1 (took Muay Thai for a year), Fencing -1 (was on the Fencing team saber one year in college), Research - 1 (did lots of research as a history major and english minor and unix troubleshooting), Electronics - 1 (I worked at a game room and soldered boards and fixed games), Legal - 1 (certified as a paralegal before I got into Computer industry), Admin - 1 (working for many Megacorps), Leadership -1 (managed a help desk for a year before I went into sysadmining)

19 skills two below my max with INT+EDU rules but spread over a wide range of skills.

On edit: Elliot suggested bonuses on INT and EDU (mustering out bonus :) ) did not kick EDU beyond ten simply because double undergrad degree bonuses don't count as high as Master's and converted all values needed to hexadecimel. I also added service and rank.
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Originally posted by Elliot:
This looks like a fun idea - here's my self rated skills:

Str 7 Dex 7 End 5 (overweight) Int ? (cant say - I get in the 135-140 range on IQ tests) Edu B? Soc 8

History 4 (BA, MA, PhD and a number of published articles - but only on the English Revolution) Research 3 (see before + have worked on a number of long term research projects) Instruction 1 (Former college lecturer - not that brilliant at it) Legal 3 (I'm a practicing trial lawyer ) Persuasion 1 Interrogation 1 Liaison 1(see before, would like to say higher but probably not) Admin 2 (Lots of forms to fill in) Ground Car 1 Shotgun 1 (clay pigeon shooting lessons when younger - still can hit today)

On the Int + Edu basis I would therefore need an Int of at least 7. In some respects I think the Int + Edu cap on skills works for academic types like myself, but it doesnt work for mechs farmers or techs as they have skills that are not Int or Edu based.

What do others think about themselves?
Working off the T5 rate yourself stuff in the back of the chargen section and trying to be objective somewhat. :)

Elliot with your Educational background you would at the very least be a B if you did independant reading/learning much and graduated honors anywhere down the line you make either a C or D.

That kind of IQ in the self-test you easily make your intelligence somewhat equal to your edu! Yeah, maybe Marc was being easy in his testing ideas I think. However, how many people have that high of an IQ and a PHD .. not many.

Thought about this the other day:

Service: IT cube slave
Rank: BOFH (Bastard Operator from Hell)

Str 5 (need to work out) Dex 6 End 5 Int A (ignoring the T5 gimme nonsense questions) Edu A (College grad lots of independant reading graduated honors in HS) Soc A (Based on income in T5 rate yourself)

Skills rating goes for me
undergrad = 2
Masters level = 3
PHD = 4 or above

Skills: History -2 (BA History), Instruction -2 (BS in Education), Steward - 2 (grew up in restaurant), Wheeled vehicle - 1, Literature -1 (English minor individual study on top), Computer - 3 (Unix sysadmin Solaris Certified 8 years exp. maybe 4?), Shotgun - 1 (use to hunt a lot), Brawling - 1 (took Muay Thai for a year), Fencing -1 (was on the Fencing team saber one year in college), Research - 1 (did lots of research as a history major and english minor and unix troubleshooting), Electronics - 1 (I worked at a game room and soldered boards and fixed games), Legal - 1 (certified as a paralegal before I got into Computer industry), Admin - 1 (working for many Megacorps), Leadership -1 (managed a help desk for a year before I went into sysadmining)

19 skills two below my max with INT+EDU rules but spread over a wide range of skills.

On edit: Elliot suggested bonuses on INT and EDU (mustering out bonus :) ) did not kick EDU beyond ten simply because double undergrad degree bonuses don't count as high as Master's and converted all values needed to hexadecimel. I also added service and rank.
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ACK wrote
how many people have that high of an IQ and a PHD .. not many
No - because people with decent IQs don’t generally dick around in college being eternal students. They go out and make $$$$, etc.

I always thought that IQ tests indicated that you were good a doing IQ tests and little else. I do not consider myself to have a high IQ (in fact compared to many of the awesome posters on these boards, I feel pretty dumb) :D

Maybe I better put Int down a bit - the alcoholic side effects of doing a Phd and then being a lawyer has probably addled my brain. :(

ACK i'd say your Int and Edu was probably a bit higher given your background - you probably forgot to add the Int +1 and Edu +2 from rolling 2 and 3 on the mustering out tables
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ACK wrote
how many people have that high of an IQ and a PHD .. not many
No - because people with decent IQs don’t generally dick around in college being eternal students. They go out and make $$$$, etc.

I always thought that IQ tests indicated that you were good a doing IQ tests and little else. I do not consider myself to have a high IQ (in fact compared to many of the awesome posters on these boards, I feel pretty dumb) :D

Maybe I better put Int down a bit - the alcoholic side effects of doing a Phd and then being a lawyer has probably addled my brain. :(

ACK i'd say your Int and Edu was probably a bit higher given your background - you probably forgot to add the Int +1 and Edu +2 from rolling 2 and 3 on the mustering out tables
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ACK wrote
how many people have that high of an IQ and a PHD .. not many
No - because people with decent IQs don’t generally dick around in college being eternal students. They go out and make $$$$, etc.

I always thought that IQ tests indicated that you were good a doing IQ tests and little else. I do not consider myself to have a high IQ (in fact compared to many of the awesome posters on these boards, I feel pretty dumb) :D

Maybe I better put Int down a bit - the alcoholic side effects of doing a Phd and then being a lawyer has probably addled my brain. :(

ACK i'd say your Int and Edu was probably a bit higher given your background - you probably forgot to add the Int +1 and Edu +2 from rolling 2 and 3 on the mustering out tables
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Here's a thought. Since many (physical) skills have a kinesthetic component, why not increase the max number of skill levels by including DEX in the formula as well.
 
Here's a thought. Since many (physical) skills have a kinesthetic component, why not increase the max number of skill levels by including DEX in the formula as well.
 
Here's a thought. Since many (physical) skills have a kinesthetic component, why not increase the max number of skill levels by including DEX in the formula as well.
 
Ok, here goes.
Str7, End8, Dex8 (these are after aging effects ;) ) IntA, EduA, SocA- ratings from T5.

I served six months in the British Army, have an honours degree in Chemistry (Physics is a hobby), studied Shotokan Karate for 5 years, Aikido for 2 years, and have been a science teacher for the last 12 years. I am an avid reader of history (as a youth I wanted to be a history teacher :confused: ).

Skills- instruction3, chemistry3, physics2, wheeled vehicle2, admin2, interview2, brawling2 (in my prime 4), medic1 (various first aid courses), biology1, handgun1, history1, rifleman1, smg1, large blade1 (from Aikido), streetwise1 (teach 14-18 year olds without picking up a few unsavoury contacts ;) ), survival1,
 
Ok, here goes.
Str7, End8, Dex8 (these are after aging effects ;) ) IntA, EduA, SocA- ratings from T5.

I served six months in the British Army, have an honours degree in Chemistry (Physics is a hobby), studied Shotokan Karate for 5 years, Aikido for 2 years, and have been a science teacher for the last 12 years. I am an avid reader of history (as a youth I wanted to be a history teacher :confused: ).

Skills- instruction3, chemistry3, physics2, wheeled vehicle2, admin2, interview2, brawling2 (in my prime 4), medic1 (various first aid courses), biology1, handgun1, history1, rifleman1, smg1, large blade1 (from Aikido), streetwise1 (teach 14-18 year olds without picking up a few unsavoury contacts ;) ), survival1,
 
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