Ship Design TL8 Escort

[Dagrill]

Hi,

I've tried to design a TL8 spaceship using the T5 rules, could someone take a look and advise if I'm doing this correctly? I had to use a TL9 computer, as there's no facility to adjust a TL8 one to assist Jump,

Many thanks

David


Skadi Class Escort
Ship: Sif Class: Skadi Type: Escort Mission
Tech Level: 8 Architect: EM Price
Notes Tons (MCr)
TL 8 HULL Streamlined, frame & plate AV = 8 code D 0 26.0
400 tons Friction /3; Agility +0; Max G 9; Stability 1 squares 800 0 0.0
Flotation Hull D 4 4.0
Landing Legs with Pads K 4 4.0
Lifters - limited Hover / move Z 0 4.0
Jump Bubble 120 0 0.0
Armour 2 layer Plate with Anti-Blast layer (1st free) A 16 B 160 16 0.0
2 layer Plate with Anti-Kinetic layer A 16 K 160 32 0.0
1 layer Plate with EMP layer A 8 E 80 16 0.0
1 layer Plate with Anti-Rad layer A 8 R 80 16 0.0
Total 6 layer Plate A 48 0 0.0
Jump Drive B TL 8, Early Jump 1, 90% efficiency type J 15 30.0
Gravitic Drive B TL8 Thrust 1 type G 18 9.0
Power Plant B TL 8 Power 1 type P 7 7.0
Fuel 88 tons = two J1 Jump 88 0
16 tons = 120 days Power 16 0
Fuel Intakes & 1 ton Purifier 4t / hour 2 0.2
Sensors Imp AR surf. Communicator -8 0 1.5
Early AR surf. Scope -8 0 2.5
std Vd surf. Mass sensor -8 0 0.6
Weapons: TL8 AR Missile Rack x3 T3 1 1.6
TL8 AR Missile Rack x3 T3 1 1.6
TL8 Vd Commcaster x1 T3 1 6.0
TL8 D Pulse Lader x3 T3 1 1.5
4 roomy OC for Gunners 6 0.4
CC 2 control consoles (pilot, astrogator) spacious 4 0.4
OC 8 (3 engineer, 3 sensor, medic, computer) spacious 16 0.8
Long Term Life Support (30) for 120 days 30 6 6.0
Computer Model 1 TL9 1 1.5
other bridge space E +2 4 0.0
4 Single Staterooms (Pilot Astrogator) 2 shifts 8 0.4
Shared fresher for Pilots & Astrogators x2 1 1.0
16 Spacer Niche (up to 16 crew) 10 0.0
4 shared freshers 2 2.0
other crew space - crew CC crew 2.2 23 0.0
Barracks for 10 Troops 8 0.4
Common Fresher for 10 1 1.0
10 low berths 5 0.5
Surgery 4 3.0
Medical Low Berth x2 2 1.0
other crew space - troops CC troops 2 11 0.0
Air Lock 0.5 0.1
20t Launch 30 14.0
Vehicle Lock 4 1.0
Cargo storage for vehicle & military supplies 15.0 0
399.5 132.95

Demand - no passenger facilities 0
Crew Comfort 2
Ergonomics -2

 

[atpollard]

Just adding some formatting ... anyone attempting a TL 8 starship deserves a closer look:

Skadi Class Escort
Ship: Sif Class: Skadi Type: Escort Mission
Tech Level: 8 Architect: EM Price
Notes	Tons	(MCr)
TL 8 HULL Streamlined, frame & plate AV = 8 code D	0	26.0
400 tons Friction /3; Agility +0; Max G 9; Stability 1 squares 800	0	0.0
Flotation Hull D	4	4.0
Landing Legs with Pads K	4	4.0
Lifters - limited Hover / move Z	0	4.0
Jump Bubble 120	0	0.0
Armour 2 layer Plate with Anti-Blast layer (1st free) A 16 B 160	16	0.0
2 layer Plate with Anti-Kinetic layer A 16 K 160	32	0.0
1 layer Plate with EMP layer A 8 E 80	16	0.0
1 layer Plate with Anti-Rad layer A 8 R 80	16	0.0
Total 6 layer Plate A 48	0	0.0
Jump Drive B TL 8, Early Jump 1, 90% efficiency type J	15	30.0
Gravitic Drive B TL8 Thrust 1 type G	18	9.0
Power Plant B TL 8 Power 1 type P	7	7.0
Fuel 88 tons = two J1 Jump	88	0
16 tons = 120 days Power	16	0
Fuel Intakes & 1 ton Purifier 4t / hour	2	0.2
Sensors Imp AR surf. Communicator -8	0	1.5
Early AR surf. Scope -8	0	2.5
std Vd surf. Mass sensor -8	0	0.6
Weapons: TL8 AR Missile Rack x3 T3	1	1.6
TL8 AR Missile Rack x3 T3	1	1.6
TL8 Vd Commcaster x1 T3	1	6.0
TL8 D Pulse Lader x3 T3	1	1.5
4 roomy OC for Gunners	6	0.4
CC 2 control consoles (pilot, astrogator) spacious	4	0.4
OC 8 (3 engineer, 3 sensor, medic, computer) spacious	16	0.8
Long Term Life Support (30) for 120 days 30	6	6.0
Computer Model 1 TL9	1	1.5
other bridge space E +2	4	0.0
4 Single Staterooms (Pilot Astrogator) 2 shifts	8	0.4
Shared fresher for Pilots & Astrogators x2	1	1.0
16 Spacer Niche (up to 16 crew)	10	0.0
4 shared freshers	2	2.0
other crew space - crew CC crew 2.2	23	0.0
Barracks for 10 Troops	8	0.4
Common Fresher for 10	1	1.0
10 low berths	5	0.5
Surgery	4	3.0
Medical Low Berth x2	2	1.0
other crew space - troops CC troops 2	11	0.0
Air Lock	0.5	0.1
20t Launch	30	14.0
Vehicle Lock	4	1.0
Cargo storage for vehicle & military supplies	15.0	0
	399.5	132.95

 

[robject]

You might not need a computer for jump anymore. And there's always the Model/0 or Model/0bis.

 

[Dagrill]

Just adding some formatting ... anyone attempting a TL 8 starship deserves a closer look:

Thanks it all went pear shaped when I copied and pasted into the post.

Thank you

David

 

[Dagrill]

You might not need a computer for jump anymore. And there's always the Model/0 or Model/0bis.

I wasn't sure as programmes appear to have disappeared. The only thing I could find was a single use Jump Tape at TL9 on page 623.

Actually thinking about it the bis model was 1 Jump grater than the normal model, so 0 bis for J1 at TL8 makes total sense.

Thank you for your help, I was hoping you'd take a look as the expert on starship construction.

Thanks again

David

 

[atpollard]

Thank you
David

It was my pleasure.
I wanted to see what other T5 players thought of it.
I love anything that pushes boundaries.

You might not need a computer for jump anymore.

That's a pretty big deal.
How does that work ... manual calculations and a slide-rule?

And there's always the Model/0 or Model/0bis.

Model/0bis makes perfect sense to me.

 

[robject]

How does that work ... manual calculations and a slide-rule?

Model/0bis makes perfect sense to me.

Yes. And it would be very interesting indeed to see a Vilani Jump-Calculation Slide Rule. Talk about overachievers.

Here's how I'm thinking about it. Scotty has to program the jump drive. He has a few choices:

1. He can unlock a port on the drive itself and flip a hundred physical switches. Referees love it, players hate it, and so do player characters.

2. He can control it from a specialized control console at his workspace on the bridge. The Star Trek scenario.

3. He can control it from a less powerful but portable controller (the "jPad" from Tukera), with a wireless gravitic connection for instance ("now with blazingly fast W5G!"), from the breakroom while sipping a latte. But people may think he's not a very committed worker.

4. He can control it from any control console, if the ship has at least a Model/0 Ship's Computer. I think nearly all ships fall into this category.

5. He can tell the Ship's Model/1 Computer to do it, because a Model/1 can perform up to 1 task at a time for you. Of course, if this is just a TL9 Computer, then the target number is a 9, which means it will fail regularly at average tasks.

References: p325, p516.

 

[Dagrill]

You might not need a computer for jump anymore. And there's always the Model/0 or Model/0bis.

Hi,

I made a major error in thinking I only needed a prototype J1 drive, as efficiency is rounded down I actually need an experimental J2 drive. I've
reworked the ship around a 1,200 ton hull, but with only 8 hard points, it's tough fitting crew in with all the fuel requirements:

Mountain Class Escort
Ship: Mount Class: Mountain Type: Escort Frigate Mission
Tech Level: 8 Architect: GE
Notes Tons
TL 8 HULL Streamlined, frame & plate AV = 8 code M 0
400 tons Friction /3; Agility +0; Max G 9; Stability 1 squares 2,400 0
Flotation Hull D 12
Landing Legs with Pads K 12
Lifters - limited Hover / move Z 0
Jump Bubble 120 0
Armour 2 layer Plate with Anti-Blast layer (1st free) A 16 B 160 52
1 layer Plate with Anti-Kinetic layer A 8 K 80 52
1 layer Plate with EMP layer A 8 E 80 52
Total 4 layer Plate A 32 0
Jump Drive M TL 8, Experimental Jump 2, 50% efficiency type J Jump 1 195
Maneuvre Drive V TL8 Prototype Thrust 3, 80% efficiency type M Thrust 2 78
Power Plant B TL 8 Prototype Power 3, 80% efficiency type P 122
Fuel 480 tons = Jump 1 Jump 480
28.8 tons = 30 days Power 28.8
Fuel Intakes 40t/hour 40t / hour 1
Fuel Purifier 8t / hour 2
Sensors Imp AR surf. Communicator -8 0
Early AR surf. Scope -8 0
std Vd surf. Mass sensor -8 0
Weapons: TL8 AR Missile Rack x3 T3 1
TL8 AR Missile Rack x3 T3 1
TL8 AR Missile Rack x3 T3 1
TL8 AR Missile Rack x3 T3 1
TL8 AR Missile Rack x3 T3 1
TL8 AR Missile Rack x3 T3 1
TL8 Vd Commcaster x1 T3 1
TL8 D Pulse Laser x3 T3 1
8 standard OC for Gunners 8
CC 3 spacious control consoles(Captain, Pilot, Astrogator) spacious 6
OC 8 (3 engineer, 3 sensor, medic, computer) roomy 12
Standard Life Support (20) for 30 days 20 2
Computer Model 0 bis TL8 0.5
other bridge space 5
4 Single Staterooms (Captain, XO, Pilot Astrogato r) 8
Shared fresher for Pilots & Astrogators x2 1
16 Spacer Niche (16 crew) 16
4 shared freshers 2
other crew space - crew CC crew 23
Surgery 4
Medical Low Berth x2 2
Air Lock 0.5
Cargo 15.0
500 tons 1,199.8
Demand - no passenger facilities 0
Crew Comfort -2.5
Ergonomics -0.2
Price
(MCr)
74.0
0.0
12.0
12.0
12.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
650.0
78.0
122.0
0
0
0.1
2
1.5
2.5
0.6
1.6
1.6
1.6
1.6
1.6
1.6
6.0
1.5
0.8
0.6
0.8
2.0
0.5
0.0
0.4
1.0
0.0
2.0
0.0
3.0
1.0
0.1
0
995.95

Hmmm, layout hasn't worked again, sorry

Regards

David