Once again, it was published in Imperriallines for a specific purpose. It is based on the essentially canon map in WBH. It supports the primary purpose of that issue of Imperiallines, which is to give an updated view of Regina, with reference to the finally described Amindii.
I know what map it is based on. I also know that the existence of Atora had not been established at the time that map was created. I also know that the existence of Atora has been canonically established since then. I believe that the location of the capital of the Duchy of Regina is of sufficient importance to be included in any map of Regina that accompanies an article with the title
Port of Call: Regina. If you don't, then that's your prerogative. But you have no call to take offense because I express my opinion.
I also find you more than a little ungracious to someone who was just trying to help.
I am not a professional cartographer -- but my wife is, and has a few certificates. I have learned that maps can be "layered" for many purposes. Not all purposes will be supported in any given "print" of a map. As you note, scale is one factor, purpose another.
Atora is not just any detail.
"It should have had this because I in particular say it should have had this" is really just snarking and not useful.
That's not what I was saying and if that's how you read it, I suggest you change your attitude and try interpreting what people write in a positive light instead of in a negative one. It will make your experiences with Traveller fans more pleasant.
Folks who want to suggest layers and data that might be added are welcome to email me; I have the base CC3/Cosmographer file, and can add to it I can even point out an Easter Egg that cannot be displayed at this scale, but has been put into the file.
Or they can post them here on this thread, giving third parties an opportunity to say "that's a good idea" or "that's a bad idea" or to suggest ideas that they got from reading previous posts. You know, to do what CotI has always done and try to support the creators of Traveller material.
You will NOT, however, find a layer showing the streets of any city at this point, nor the sewer layer (yes, municipalities have that in their GIS), nor the names of most cities, towns, and settlements.
Nor will you receive any suggestions from me that you include streets in any world map. The idea is so silly that I can only suppose that you are trying to be funny.
As for names of most cities towns and settlements, I do, as a matter of fact, have an incomplete list of secondary and tertiary cities on Regina and could, should you ask me to, provide suggestions for a few cities that could justifiably be added to a world map (such as the largest city of the continents that doesn't have any primary city and/or a few cities of major cultural importance). I didn't suggest any because they are not canonical and I didn't think it was anywhere near a slam-dunk no-brainer notion to add them. I did suggest adding Atora because it IS canonical and I did (and still do) think that it IS a slam-dunk no-brainer notion that it belongs on a world map of Regina.
You won't find names of seas or oceans, though I am open to considering submissions and running them by others.
I didn't suggest adding them either. I mentioned them in connection with a larger-scale map of mine and you asked about them. Scale-wise oceans are the same as continents, but they're less interesting to a referee planning to run adventures on Regina, so whether to include them or not would, IMO, depend on whether they could be added without cluttering up the map.
I have, however, I think clearly stated elsewhere or here that I am not adding 10,000 details...
Exaggerate much? Atora is ONE detail.
...because any one kibbitzer or referee thinks they would make the map more useful to him or her.
I suppose that dig must be aimed at me, misdirected as it is. I did not suggest you add Atora to the map because it would make it more useful to me. I ALREADY know where Atora is on my Regina. I already have larger-scale maps (in various stages of completeness) of Imsu, Madzaki, and Southern Noncredo and I am perfectly capable on expanding upon them without you putting any of my details on your map. (Mind you, I'm willing, nay eager, to add the things you have added like the Amindii tribal ranges and the lakes to my maps).
My motive for suggesting adding Atora was to HELP you improve the usefulness of the map and my motive for mentioning where I had put it in my article on JTAS Online was to avoid having the information superceded. I see nothing illaudable in either motive.
I am going to continue with my policy of not putting in too much just yet. Discretion has a value in the game world, and in maps.
Atora is not just any detail.
Oh, and -- I have a day profession. Sometimes I work on that instead of perfecting Regina.
Or even improving it. Sure, I can understand that. A lot of my time is spent doing things other than making helpful suggestions for the improvement of the Third Imperium setting.
Have you considered turning the job over to someone else if taking ten minutes to add a detail to the map is more than you can spare?
I apologize again for being annoyed by the tone of one commentator in particular. Aramais P., however, is my GENIAL side.
I feel no remorse over the substance of what I've written in this thread, but I have been told that my tone can be annoying, and I'd like to work on that, so please feel free to tell me in what way my tone leaves anything to be desired. I've had a look back through my posts in this thread and, quite frankly, I can't find anything that would cause offense to anyone who didn't choose to take offense, but I'm quite willing to be instructed otherwise.
Perhaps you, in turn, would be willing to go back over them and consider the possibility that I wasn't being snarky, merely trying to be helpful?
Hans
