Pre-Career Education Prerequisite Waivers

[agorski]

Outside an OTU decision, you might wish to just program a click through option that allows the user to allow or disallow a particular waiver.

Yeah, the way I'm doing it is a warning in the list of educational choices that says a prerequisite waver is required. If you select that choice, then you are asked if you want to try a prerequisite waver. If you say NO, you are returned to the list of educational choices with no penalty.

Similarly, if any other educational roll fails, you are asked if you want to try for a waiver or accept defeat.

 

[Taav]

The 5.09 version of T5 (on page 41) states that degrees and honors can be waived under the (5th) paragraph that begins with "A University Masters Program."

 

[agorski]

Yup, the waivers are also noted in Hemdian's flowcharts.

 

[Ackehece]

Yup, the waivers are also noted in Hemdian's flowcharts.

I think that IF you follow all waivers allowed starting from edu5 it would be very statistically improbable to achieve a doctorate before failing a waiver and thus flunking out.with each waiver being harder than the last after.
Soc max attribute at education level starts is 12 . You need 9 waivers so commulative penalties on waivers would by +9 before you finished so... (2d <= 12-9) + (2d <= 12 -8) + .... + (2d8 <= 12) long odds indeed.

 

[agorski]

I think that IF you follow all waivers allowed starting from edu5 it would be very statistically improbable to achieve a doctorate before failing a waiver and thus flunking out.with each waiver being harder than the last after.
Soc max attribute at education level starts is 12 . You need 9 waivers so commulative penalties on waivers would by +9 before you finished so... (2d <= 12-9) + (2d <= 12 -8) + .... + (2d8 <= 12) long odds indeed.

There's nothing preventing you from reapplying to a program you failed or flunked out of. You just use up one waiver and reduce the odds of passing a future waiver.

In my app in development, I've found that if you have high Int/Edu and a decent level of Soc, it's pretty easy to get all the way through a doctorate without using hardly any waivers. Of course, if you go into the Scholar career, you better have not used too many waivers because you will probably need them there.

 

[Ackehece]

There's nothing preventing you from reapplying to a program you failed or flunked out of. You just use up one waiver and reduce the odds of passing a future waiver.

In my app in development, I've found that if you have high Int/Edu and a decent level of Soc, it's pretty easy to get all the way through a doctorate without using hardly any waivers. Of course, if you go into the Scholar career, you better have not used too many waivers because you will probably need them there.

It should be easy to avoid waivers with Soc and Int being high. You gain skills and knowledges from University but starts your career skills later and thus you end up retiring with less years into a career and thus probably a lower soc and rank and pension then those who went direct into career with same basis of int and soc. A doctorate is 8 years. 4 for Bach 2 for master 2 more for the doc... it is worth it but unless your int is high and your soc is high you'll likely need waivers and likely it would be hard to get honors etc. So... it accurate reflects reality.... I think a waiver would technically be called either a bribe or a tabula rasa.... flunking out and reapplying for readmittance uses up a year... waivers do not grant skills when used ... and finally not all skill knowledges can be gained in school.
My feeling is that school in T5 is a prerequesite to life. You can get much needed skills and knowledge there that careers don't grant but they also limit you time in a career which means less promotion rolls before career end due to aging rolls.

 

[agorski]

Note that you don't actually need to do any education options before starting in the Scholar career. So you've got all your waivers to burn in that career. You get to pick your own major and minor from all available and can really get to a high level in your major with reward successes in each term, plus the 4-5 skills each term, which can likely be your major or minor. A decent choice for those with Edu 8+ and highish Soc.

 

[lordmonar]

So....my read on it is......everything in education is waiver-able.

Don't have a Pre-Req......apply for a waiver.
Fail the Apply Roll......apply for a waiver.
Fail the pass/fail roll....apply for a waiver.
fail the honors roll....apply for a waiver.
fail the ROTC roll.....apply for a waiver.

Things to note.
Each waiver gets harder even if you fail one. (each application counts as a waiver).
A failed waiver application costs you a year. (fail your honors roll...then fail your waiver roll and you got a four year degree in five years.)

I have a question for the rules gurus.......it states a failed application and a failed waiver costs two years of age. Does the age thing also apply if you are trying to waive a prereq?

If you fail the prereq waiver....does it cost you a year....or is it assumed you were applying well before your 18th birthday as you know you did not have the prereq?