Patent of Nobility Card (where are you?)

[Dagrill]

I'm trying to recall why i ended up with Skull in the first place. Skull has a high population of poor and merchant prince society. No mention of anti noble presence in the wiki. However, without receiving specifics from Marc (your nobility as X is replaced with Y) or your in L Timeframe it makes the nobility of little trading value.
Perhaps when I upgraded to Count my Marquis was removed from the list. hmm... I could switch it to Former Marquis Skull...that's cool.

Hi,

I was looking to link my Knight from Garda-Vilis, with the Viscount of Mount and there are 3 xJ4 and a J1 between Skull and Garda-Vilis, but I Don't mind being your replacement at Skull, if that works best...

IRL. I'm guessing as it's linked to Moot membership, it changes with your membership and Marc is printing replacement cards,

Regards

David

 

[Magnus von Thornwood]

Ouch and funny.

Glad I don't have to fight anyone for my fief. I'd have to turn my bodyguard loose on them. And she's a Dorsai.

Well, I have to second that, but I have no Dorsai, but I do have a really good friend familiar with low places and is from heavy worlder stock so I am pretty confident in his abilities. And if the mighty Bibickian can't handle the problem then it is BD Troopers and to the Yacht.

But then considering how scattered my Land Grants are I am gonna be pretty hard to catch what with all the Travelling I must do, I am not long anywhere. Ah, the life of an Agent of The Crown.

 

[rancke]

Well, I have to second that, but I have no Dorsai, but I do have a really good friend familiar with low places and is from heavy worlder stock so I am pretty confident in his abilities. And if the mighty Bibickian can't handle the problem then it is BD Troopers and to the Yacht.

IMTU there's an expy of the world Pyrrus in the Trojan Reaches. The natives hire themselves out as elite mercenaries. They're the guys you hire when you're up against Dorsai expys.


Hans

 

[Magnus von Thornwood]

Thank you, good sir.

IMTU there's an expy of the world Pyrrus in the Trojan Reaches. The natives hire themselves out as elite mercenaries. They're the guys you hire when you're up against Dorsai expys.


Hans

Yeah, I heard about them, dangerous sorts those folks. Plus, I hear they provide their own arms, which saves me a bit.

 

[Kaeto]

The crew of my Yacht are Pyrrans. It's just my bodyguard is a bit easier on the eyes than a typical Pyrran

:smirk:

 

[savage]

Hi,

I was looking to link my Knight from Garda-Vilis, with the Viscount of Mount and there are 3 xJ4 and a J1 between Skull and Garda-Vilis, but I Don't mind being your replacement at Skull, if that works best...

IRL. I'm guessing as it's linked to Moot membership, it changes with your membership and Marc is printing replacement cards,

Regards

David

Well true. I seem to still have a grant. But upgraded nobility or something.
Either way we come up with a story and if it sounds good cool.

It just seems that unless emphasis is put on the marches there is little need for duplicates. In fact, I was surprised any marches land grants we're provided. It interrupts future canon discussions.

 

[savage]

Hi,

I was looking to link my Knight from Garda-Vilis, with the Viscount of Mount and there are 3 xJ4 and a J1 between Skull and Garda-Vilis, but I Don't mind being your replacement at Skull, if that works best...

IRL. I'm guessing as it's linked to Moot membership, it changes with your membership and Marc is printing replacement cards,

Regards

David

Well true. I see to still have a grant. But upgraded nobility or something.
Either way we come up with a story and if it sounds good cool.

It just seems that unless emphasis is put on the marches there is little need for duplicates. In fact, I was surprised any marches land grants were provided. It interrupts future canon discussions.

 

[Drakon]

New card

The end of the month is my birthday. The Baroness, being the kind hearted person she is and picking up on my many subtle hints, got for me a set of FFE CD Roms. This set includes the disks for T20, T4, MegaTraveller, both TNE disks, and Challenger issues 25 thur 77. I have the hard copy CT reprint books, and the T5 disk from the Kickstarter project.

So the only disk I am missing is the DGP CD Rom.

Included in the package was another patent, identifying the bearer, me, as a Knight of Deneb for the system of Echiste. A small waterworld in the Lanth subsector of the Spinward Marches with only 7,000 people producing 14 RUs.

Hail Strephon!

Oh this is my 1,000th posting in this forum. Only took 11 years.

 

[SpaceBadger]

And with the arrival of my 4-4-3 package (which I am enjoying quickly skimming at this very moment; T5 first, of course! ) I now have two additional Countships (Counties? Count Holds? anyone know proper term?).

Count of the Imperial Core, SINAD (Core 2832) B5589AD-C
Count of the Imperial Core, GANAD (Core 2933) A6569BA-E

 

[aramis]

Heraldically, Countship is the status of having the title itself, county is the holding held with that title. Historically, both can be used for either.

 

[Dagrill]

Ah, there's the problem then. You can't have negative efficiency. You can't produce less than nothing.

What could provide a little more detail would be to define consumption and calculate RUs as Production minus Consumption. The result would be what the government and the noble would have to split between them for defenses and suchlike. Hans

Hi,

Whilst I tend to agree with you the T5 2013 survey of Spinward Marches Imperial worlds spreadsheet, has such worlds eg. Treece with -1,056 RU's.
Treece is a very similar world to Skull, which is now size 4.

I may be missing something as I calculate Skulls RU's to be 540 (A*6*9*1),
but the final column has 630 RU's.

Kind regards

David

 

[ken at sunrise]

Heraldically, Countship is the status of having the title itself, county is the holding held with that title. Historically, both can be used for either.

Can you expand on that a little. There is a distinction between the title and fief; how does that impact two individuals having the same title. Would we want, expect, the same fief?

 

[whulorigan]

And with the arrival of my 4-4-3 package (which I am enjoying quickly skimming at this very moment; T5 first, of course! ) . . .

So what 4 CDs did you finally decide on? T5 and what else?

 

[Drakon]

Can you expand on that a little. There is a distinction between the title and fief; how does that impact two individuals having the same title. Would we want, expect, the same fief?

Unless you were married or part of the same family, I don't see sharing the same plot of land on the planet, let alone the estate.

One person may hold a "high noble" patent, while another may be an "honorary noble" like Sir Elton John or Dame Judith Dench. The high noble gets the fief and the job of actually having to do the job of a noble. The honor noble doesn't have the responsibility, the land or the money, but they do get all the fame that goes with such a title.

The fief is the land (and the money) that usually goes with a noble title. The purpose of the fief is to provide a means of paying the noble's salary.

 

[savage]

Unless you were married or part of the same family, I don't see sharing the same plot of land on the planet, let alone the estate.

One person may hold a "high noble" patent, while another may be an "honorary noble" like Sir Elton John or Dame Judith Dench. The high noble gets the fief and the job of actually having to do the job of a noble. The honor noble doesn't have the responsibility, the land or the money, but they do get all the fame that goes with such a title.

The fief is the land (and the money) that usually goes with a noble title. The purpose of the fief is to provide a means of paying the noble's salary.

In general, I agree. This could work several different ways. Timeframe, promotion, etc. On developing worlds it could be a secondary fiefdom to encourage economic growth of the planet (protection, reward, etc.). Remember, most nobles appoint governors, etc.

It differs from the original CT fiefdoms that were clear cut. In a certain way we have landed and unlanded nobles. For example, a CEO/merchant prince of an interstellar corporation from Vland may have a knight status (Sir Soforth of Vland Virgin Galactic :rofl.

The problem is that we're buying a product and it's not clearly outlined. So, we don't know what we're buying. That can get frustrating for some. I like GT:Nobles and T5, but don't think they went far enough in explaining the strategy. I demonstrated this with my kickstarter patents.

I completely disagree with the concept that there are not enough Dukedoms.
If we only think of landed Sector Dukes, sure.

I'm open minded.

 

[SpaceBadger]

So what 4 CDs did you finally decide on? T5 and what else?

T5, CT, T4, and Challenge Magazines.

 

[Drakon]

The problem is that we're buying a product and it's not clearly outlined. So, we don't know what we're buying. That can get frustrating for some. I like GT:Nobles and T5, but don't think they went far enough in explaining the strategy. I demonstrated this with my kickstarter patents.

I must take issue with the "buying a product" comment. I bought the book and disk from the Kickstarter project, and the newest patent was part of my birthday present, which was the six disks. The patents are a freebie that Marc is graciously handing out.

I do agree that we would like more details concerning 3I nobles under T5, but feel that is coming down the pike. Whether the cards were just Marc being generous, a subtle ploy to get folks more interested in the 3rd Imperium, or a back door way of getting the planetary data checked out by a fresh pair of eyes, I don't know nor care. I have enjoyed the heck out of my little fiefdoms and a number of story ideas and adventures come to mind.

 

[Kaeto]

I still think my Patent of Nobility should have been a bit less generic since I was one of the Nobility level kickstrter backers.

 

[savage]

I must take issue with the "buying a product" comment. I bought the book and disk from the Kickstarter project, and the newest patent was part of my birthday present, which was the six disks. The patents are a freebie that Marc is graciously handing out.

Please, don't take issue. As I understand it. A patent card is part of the benefits to COTI backers, and various other products.

I think for "services rendered" Marc may be awarding better patent cards. IMO.

 

[aramis]

Can you expand on that a little. There is a distinction between the title and fief; how does that impact two individuals having the same title. Would we want, expect, the same fief?

Actually, if there are two counts on world X, one is probably "Count A, of X" who has fief Y, while the other is "B, Count X" and holds the countship of County X.

One might be a reward noble, while the other is the actual imperial noble for the world.

Or one could be a "lost heir came forward" situation after the Emperor filled the county of X with a different line... perhaps due to a misjump and low berth stay.