Most effective populations
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khadaji2002
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Wow.
That is impressive indeed. Ummmmm, are there clones of the six people doing all the jobs?
That is impressive indeed. Ummmmm, are there clones of the six people doing all the jobs?
Wow.
That is impressive indeed. Ummmmm, are there clones of the six people doing all the jobs?
Turns out it is a "Die Back", which might explain things. Still, it has a class A starport - and given that it's NaHu that's not an Imperium manned starport, somehow those six are managing.
Ashudami is another interesting one. It's only a class C starport and TL 5, but it has a population of 4 individuals and the government type is a Self-Perpetuating Oligarchy. I wonder what that society looks like? 2 members of the Oligarchy and 2 average citizens? If it were 1 oligarch and 3 citizens I would think the oligarch would be nervous, he/she is outnumbered should the citizens revolt. And if it's 3 and 1 does it even count as an oligarchy if most members of the population are oligarchs?
G. Kashkanun Anderson
SOC-13
There is an Imperium nearby, however. The Third Empire of Gashikan, a rather sizable remnant of old school Vilani law-and-order tradition, is just a Jump-4 away to rimward. The Third Empire is still very new, having been reformed out of the ashes of the bloody civil war that destroyed the Second Empire of Gashikan barely a generation earlier (in the 1070s). And, notably, a significant chunk of Second Empire worlds are not (yet) part of the Third Empire.
As such, the world could be a Class A starport facility still somehow operating after having lost the bulk of its population during the civil war. Or, it could be a very recent recolonization effort by the Third Empire, maybe dropping some sort of 'whole cloth' starport kit on the world as a prelude to recolonization (either as a former human world, former Vargr world, or both ... the deep history of Trenchan Sector is both complicated and disturbing). Another possibility is that it is a former Gashikani world very recently wiped out by a regional Vargr power; considering the (again, troubling) history of the region, local Vargr may consider it appropriate to bio-attack the human population to near-oblivion, and then leave the infrastructure standing as a sort of testament to that history.
That system is bizarre enough -- an ecologically viable planet orbiting a trinary system made up of two Type A main sequence stars and a Type G subdwarf(!) -- that it would merit at least some interest from a sector-level university or scientific agency. The permanent population in this case could be the oligarchy: permanent staff ruling over a shifting population of transient research associates.
I had no idea that the Third Empire of Gashikan even existed as part of Canon. I suppose it counts as part of the Imperium for population statistics as does the Solomani Confederation, so I'll have to add another ~1 trillion population and 597 worlds to my population count in the other thread.
What are the allegiances that make up the second empire worlds that aren't part of the third empire?
3EoG = Third Empire of Gashikan
mostly found in Gashikan (1,3) and Trenchans (2,3) Sectors, occupying a majority of those sectors.
It is NOT a part of the Third Imperium politically in any way. Some Vargr states and the Julians are in the way.
mostly found in Gashikan (1,3) and Trenchans (2,3) Sectors, occupying a majority of those sectors.
It is NOT a part of the Third Imperium politically in any way. Some Vargr states and the Julians are in the way.
Yes, I saw where the third empire was located:
I just didn't know if there were "Second Empire" worlds as you hinted at that weren't yet incorporated into the Third Empire, and if so, what would the Second Empire allegiance codes be?
I did find only three 3EoG worlds not in Gashikan or Trenchans, "Lakariir", "Dakash" and "Usmuu" in Mendan. Very rectangular shaped empire.
These are likely (note only likely in an absence of further info) to have been the result of random number generation. While some planets have impossible UPWs, these ones may just be the result of impartial dice or random number functions.
Their continued operation could be justified by way of massive automation if their TLs were high enough. Or they could still hold those Starport ratings even though their effective services are diminishing. An A-class manned by 10 people may still be able to build a vessel, but the time taken may be a little longer than PCs are willing to wait for.
Whatever path is taken in YTU, just remember "it has to make sense".
mike wightman
SOC-14 10K
Robots and synthetics don't count in the IISS population survey, and clone batch 'families' only count as one individual per batch...
alternatively someone made a transcription error or it was a typo, and that's before we even get to the rule that referee's can make stuff up.
alternatively someone made a transcription error or it was a typo, and that's before we even get to the rule that referee's can make stuff up.
khadaji2002
SOC-12
I like the idea of either:
A) The 3EoG is making a colonization effort and is bootstrapping the starport
OR
B) The Vargr (or agent of your choice) recently introduced a bio-weapon creating massive die-off and the starport is a mute testimony to this world's fate.
Both are great ideas and I will happily steal them if the need arises.
A) The 3EoG is making a colonization effort and is bootstrapping the starport
OR
B) The Vargr (or agent of your choice) recently introduced a bio-weapon creating massive die-off and the starport is a mute testimony to this world's fate.
Both are great ideas and I will happily steal them if the need arises.
Timerover51
SOC-14 5K
You could also view the star port as the remnant of an earlier star-faring civilization which is being investigated by a small team. Andre Norton used that concept several times.
G. Kashkanun Anderson
SOC-13
As mentioned, it's probably best to exclude the Gashikan Empires from Third Imperium statistics. Those sectors were definitely a part of the Ziru Sirka (First Imperium) at some point, but they appear to have broken off on their own sometime before the Rule of Man (Second Imperium) was founded, and they were never in danger of being incorporated into the Third Imperium.
Interestingly (at least to me) the current Third Imperium corward border is a pretty accurate latter day representation of the line demarcating Makhidkarun Bureau space from the rest of the Shangarim and co-administered territories of the Ziru Sirka. In other words, no significant regions of space owing allegiance to Old Makhidkarun (including Gashikan and the Julians) were successfully integrated into the Third Imperium.
There are three polities: the Commonwealth of Mendan (JMen), the Confederation of Bammesuka (CoBa), and the Zuugabish Tripartate (Zuug). There are dozens of independent worlds, as well. All in all, about half of Mendan sector was once a part of Gashikan.
Today, the Commonwealth of Mendan is a full member of the Julian League. Zuugabish and Bammasuka are not, due to objections from other Julian League members over their treatment of local Vargr populations.
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