CT Only: Mining T5 for CT

[infojunky]

Looking at T5's firm points.

The question occurs, what id Short range in CT?

 

[kilemall]

Looking at T5's firm points.

The question occurs, what id Short range in CT?

In the context of mechanics ported from T5, no idea.

In juxtaposing LBB2 and HG, less than 250000 km, due to that first -2 modifier in book 2.

Mayday/HG has it 5 hexes if I recall correctly.

 

[AnotherDilbert]

T5 firmpoints can only mount World Range weapons that are undersized, i.e. generally range less than R=7 (50 km). We are talking about a 1-10 km or so...

T5 B2, p53:
A Firmpoint will accept any mount which is less than one ton (mounts less than one ton are usually created by applying World Range changes) and contains a World Range Weapon, Defense, or Sensor.

See JTAS#14, High Guard: Optional Rules, p26:

Close Attack: This is a risky maneuver consisting of a head-long run to close with a target vessel...

 

[infojunky]

T5 firmpoints can only mount World Range weapons that are undersized, i.e. generally range less than R=7 (50 km). We are talking about a 1-10 km or so...

You may want to read a little more T5. It states a firm point weapon is half volume with a -1 to space range. Though the chart on Pg.80 indicated a -2 to range...

 

[AnotherDilbert]

You may want to read a little more T5. It states a firm point weapon is half volume with a -1 to space range.

As far as I know it has to be less than 1 Dt, so any negative range mod is enough for a turret (base 1 Dt) mount. B2 p53 also requires "and contains a World Range Weapon, Defense, or Sensor."

It's even repeated on p279:


I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find a contradicting statement in the rules, but I haven't found any, unless you count:

T5 B2, p176:
FirmPoints. A hull may allocate, instead of HardPoints, three FirmPoints per 100 tons. A Firmpoint will accept any mount which is less than one ton (a full-ton mount does not fit on a FirmPoint).

Though the chart on Pg.80 indicated a -2 to range...

?
T5.10 Book 2 p80:


Is there another edition I have missed?

 

[infojunky]

As far as I know it has to be less than 1 Dt, so any negative range mod is enough for a turret (base 1 Dt) mount. B2 p53 also requires "and contains a World Range Weapon, Defense, or Sensor."

The example from that section,

"For example, a Beam Laser-10 in a 1-ton turret has range R=7. Reducing the mount to R=6 also reduces the tonnage of the turret by half (to half-ton) and makes it eligible for a Firmpoint."

Is there another edition I have missed?

My latest says 5.1....

 

[AnotherDilbert]

The example from that section,

"For example, a Beam Laser-10 in a 1-ton turret has range R=7. Reducing the mount to R=6 also reduces the tonnage of the turret by half (to half-ton) and makes it eligible for a Firmpoint."

Quite, and a Beam Laser is a World Range weapon with a default range of R=7 (50 km).

Space Range weapons such as Missiles and Particle Accelerators have a default range of S=7 (500 000 km)

See e.g. B2 p83:

 

[infojunky]

Ok, I see where my issue is.....

 

[Straybow]

Lasers have better range that that now (TL 7?)

 

[AnotherDilbert]

As weapons, cutting through decimeters of armour on manoeuvring craft?

 

[mike wightman]

Hang on, are you saying T5 has reduced the range of laser weapons from lightseconds to 50km?

I may have to give T5 ship combat another look

 

[AnotherDilbert]

Hang on, are you saying T5 has reduced the range of laser weapons from lightseconds to 50km?

Yes, lasers are basically missile defences. The Navy isn't likely to count them as weapons at all.

By using a larger, higher tech mount the range can be extended to R=10 (50 000 km).

 

[Ulsyus]

Yes, lasers are basically missile defences. The Navy isn't likely to count them as weapons at all.

By using a larger, higher tech mount the range can be extended to R=10 (50 000 km).

So beam attenuation has gone down the tubes, and the offensive weapons for ships are now railguns, missiles, particle beams and meson guns?

 

[Straybow]

The old ABL had a range of 200 miles. It didn't cut metal, it just heated it to the point of structural or mechanical failure. Or cooked the pilot. Or caused a fuel tank to explode.