Knowledge Subsets

[AnotherDilbert]

Flight School happens during the first term of the career, so can give Skill. The KKS rule say you must have two levels of contained Knowledge before you can take a level of skill.


So, in NOTC you choose Pilot(ACS)-1 [must take Knowledge during education]. In Flight School you gain three levels of Pilot, but since you only have a single level of Knowledge you must take another level of Knowledge, e.g. Pilot(ACS)-1 and then you can take two levels of Skill for a total of Pilot-2 Pilot(ACS)-2.

That is incorrect, sorry...

Flight School (just like Command College) is still education, even if it happens during a career, so can only give Knowledge. It also means you can apply for Waivers in Flight School.


So, in NOTC you choose Pilot(ACS)-1 [must take Knowledge during education]. In Flight School you gain three levels of Pilot [must take Knowledge during education], for a total of Pilot(ACS)-4 (or any combination of SC, ACS, and/or BCS). The next time you gain Pilot during the career you can take the Skill since you have two (or more) contained Knowledges.

 

[Magnus von Thornwood]

Uh...umm...

That is incorrect, sorry...

Flight School (just like Command College) is still education, even if it happens during a career, so can only give Knowledge. It also means you can apply for Waivers in Flight School.


So, in NOTC you choose Pilot(ACS)-1 [must take Knowledge during education]. In Flight School you gain three levels of Pilot [must take Knowledge during education], for a total of Pilot(ACS)-4 (or any combination of SC, ACS, and/or BCS). The next time you gain Pilot during the career you can take the Skill since you have two (or more) contained Knowledges.

Say what?! Hold on a sec...nope I was not wrong this time. Page 60 of T5.10 has the Education chart and it shows plainly that Skills as well as Knowledges can be learned through Education.

Now, Army Navy Marine Schools only teach Knowledges but Flight School is a specialized School that teaches all the Skills and Knowledges for Piloting starships but not smallcraft.

And the biggest part of the problem is you can't take Pilot in NOTC since it is a junior academy not a school. So you need Flight School to get Pilot unless you get some ANM Schools. Yeah, sorry Timmii but you can't cheese it like that. You have to take a Major and Minor, get Honors, apply to Flight School and then go through the process...or you know blow a lot of Waivers.

Also, why is Smallcraft not available for the Navy? Seems odd but okay...

 

[AnotherDilbert]

Say what?! Hold on a sec...nope I was not wrong this time. Page 60 of T5.10 has the Education chart and it shows plainly that Skills as well as Knowledges can be learned through Education.

Sorry:

[based on T5.09]

Also, why is Smallcraft not available for the Navy? Seems odd but okay...

That is a puzzler alright; I simply ignore it...

 

[Magnus von Thornwood]

But...

Sorry:

That is a puzzler alright; I simply ignore it...

But the chart in T5.09 and T5.10 are pretty much the same so nah it's the same there too. You do NOTC with Major and Minor, get Honors, then to Flight School where you get the two Knowledges and Pilot-1 when/if you graduate.

As to the smallcraft I might have to house rule that like my Army Pilots and Astrogators.

 

[AnotherDilbert]

But the chart in T5.09 and T5.10 are pretty much the same so nah it's the same there too. You do NOTC with Major and Minor, get Honors, then to Flight School where you get the two Knowledges and Pilot-1 when/if you graduate.

By the charts on T5.09 pp39-40 Flight School is Education.

THE KNOWLEDGE-ONLY SKILLS
Some skills (Animals, Driver, Engineer, Fighter, Flyer, Gunner, Heavy Weapons, Pilot, Seafarer) include within them several Knowledges. Education or Training can only impart the Knowledges; the Skills themselves are not obtainable in Education or Training.

Together they say that Flight School can only give Knowledge.

 

[ThornPlutonius]

Military flight school has traditionally included eventually being in an actual air craft and flying it. This has me leaning towards interpreting this as picking up a couple of knowledges through preliminary book/classroom learning followed by a skill level (Pilot 1) picked up by flying an actual craft, wherein one integrates the acquired knowledges through practical application.

 

[AnotherDilbert]

The Pilot Knowledges still work fine to fly a craft, but only of the correct category. It's not just book learning.