Hard Times --the sourcebook

[migo]

Technically yes it is.

Especially with the MT Cdrom possibility.

I personally feel that if it's no longer available and the IP owners can't provide an copy of it then it should be acceptable. You could also look at a license fee or something like that. ESDs for OOP products seem to go for $5 these days, and considering that only part of that goes to the IP holder arranging for maybe a $3 payment to the IP holder would be reasonable. Anyone else agree/disagree?

 

[migo]

Technically yes it is.

Especially with the MT Cdrom possibility.

I personally feel that if it's no longer available and the IP owners can't provide an copy of it then it should be acceptable. You could also look at a license fee or something like that. ESDs for OOP products seem to go for $5 these days, and considering that only part of that goes to the IP holder arranging for maybe a $3 payment to the IP holder would be reasonable. Anyone else agree/disagree?

 

[vutpakdi]

Originally posted by migo:

I personally feel that if it's no longer available and the IP owners can't provide an copy of it then it should be acceptable. You could also look at a license fee or something like that. ESDs for OOP products seem to go for $5 these days, and considering that only part of that goes to the IP holder arranging for maybe a $3 payment to the IP holder would be reasonable. Anyone else agree/disagree?

But it's not up to us to deterine what is or isn't acceptable. It's up to the copyright owner. There may also be a situation where if the copyright owner doesn't protect the copyright, he/she loses the copyright.

Far Future Enterprises has a series of frequently asked questions which specifically address these issues. http://www.farfuture.net/ffe/n7001.html

Summarizing, you can copy a page at a time or even create a PDF, but doing a whole book is going too far.

Ron

 

[vutpakdi]

Originally posted by migo:

I personally feel that if it's no longer available and the IP owners can't provide an copy of it then it should be acceptable. You could also look at a license fee or something like that. ESDs for OOP products seem to go for $5 these days, and considering that only part of that goes to the IP holder arranging for maybe a $3 payment to the IP holder would be reasonable. Anyone else agree/disagree?

But it's not up to us to deterine what is or isn't acceptable. It's up to the copyright owner. There may also be a situation where if the copyright owner doesn't protect the copyright, he/she loses the copyright.

Far Future Enterprises has a series of frequently asked questions which specifically address these issues. http://www.farfuture.net/ffe/n7001.html

Summarizing, you can copy a page at a time or even create a PDF, but doing a whole book is going too far.

Ron

 

[vutpakdi]

Originally posted by migo:

I personally feel that if it's no longer available and the IP owners can't provide an copy of it then it should be acceptable. You could also look at a license fee or something like that. ESDs for OOP products seem to go for $5 these days, and considering that only part of that goes to the IP holder arranging for maybe a $3 payment to the IP holder would be reasonable. Anyone else agree/disagree?

But it's not up to us to deterine what is or isn't acceptable. It's up to the copyright owner. There may also be a situation where if the copyright owner doesn't protect the copyright, he/she loses the copyright.

Far Future Enterprises has a series of frequently asked questions which specifically address these issues. http://www.farfuture.net/ffe/n7001.html

Summarizing, you can copy a page at a time or even create a PDF, but doing a whole book is going too far.

Ron

 

[jchurchill]

There may also be a situation where if the copyright owner doesn't protect the copyright, he/she loses the copyright.
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That's actually more applicable to trademark than copyright.

It doesn't matter if the book is out of print or not... it's still copyrighted material and remains so until 75 years after the author's death. Nor does it matter if "no money changes hands." One can infringe without making money on the copy.

 

[jchurchill]

There may also be a situation where if the copyright owner doesn't protect the copyright, he/she loses the copyright.
==============================================
That's actually more applicable to trademark than copyright.

It doesn't matter if the book is out of print or not... it's still copyrighted material and remains so until 75 years after the author's death. Nor does it matter if "no money changes hands." One can infringe without making money on the copy.

 

[jchurchill]

There may also be a situation where if the copyright owner doesn't protect the copyright, he/she loses the copyright.
==============================================
That's actually more applicable to trademark than copyright.

It doesn't matter if the book is out of print or not... it's still copyrighted material and remains so until 75 years after the author's death. Nor does it matter if "no money changes hands." One can infringe without making money on the copy.

 

[aramis]

Originally posted by secretagent:
There may also be a situation where if the copyright owner doesn't protect the copyright, he/she loses the copyright.
==============================================
That's actually more applicable to trademark than copyright.

It doesn't matter if the book is out of print or not... it's still copyrighted material and remains so until 75 years after the author's death. Nor does it matter if "no money changes hands." One can infringe without making money on the copy.

Marc HAD a "Clone" policy for out of print materials BEFORE he started the reprints. He used to have it on his website. It wasn't there last I checked, so the cloning polic probably has expired. (His clone policy was 1 clone per extant copy, no money nor goods to change hands in exchange for a cloned item, original copyright to have been Marc Miller or GDW.)

 

[aramis]

Originally posted by secretagent:
There may also be a situation where if the copyright owner doesn't protect the copyright, he/she loses the copyright.
==============================================
That's actually more applicable to trademark than copyright.

It doesn't matter if the book is out of print or not... it's still copyrighted material and remains so until 75 years after the author's death. Nor does it matter if "no money changes hands." One can infringe without making money on the copy.

Marc HAD a "Clone" policy for out of print materials BEFORE he started the reprints. He used to have it on his website. It wasn't there last I checked, so the cloning polic probably has expired. (His clone policy was 1 clone per extant copy, no money nor goods to change hands in exchange for a cloned item, original copyright to have been Marc Miller or GDW.)

 

[aramis]

Originally posted by secretagent:
There may also be a situation where if the copyright owner doesn't protect the copyright, he/she loses the copyright.
==============================================
That's actually more applicable to trademark than copyright.

It doesn't matter if the book is out of print or not... it's still copyrighted material and remains so until 75 years after the author's death. Nor does it matter if "no money changes hands." One can infringe without making money on the copy.

Marc HAD a "Clone" policy for out of print materials BEFORE he started the reprints. He used to have it on his website. It wasn't there last I checked, so the cloning polic probably has expired. (His clone policy was 1 clone per extant copy, no money nor goods to change hands in exchange for a cloned item, original copyright to have been Marc Miller or GDW.)

 

[orc65]

Okay, I'll leave it alone.

What's this about a MT CDROM?

 

[orc65]

Okay, I'll leave it alone.

What's this about a MT CDROM?

 

[orc65]

Okay, I'll leave it alone.

What's this about a MT CDROM?

 

[orc65]

Originally posted by orc65:
Okay, I'll leave it alone.

What's this about a MT CDROM?

Ignore that, I already know about it.

Still half asleep.

 

[orc65]

Originally posted by orc65:
Okay, I'll leave it alone.

What's this about a MT CDROM?

Ignore that, I already know about it.

Still half asleep.

 

[orc65]

Originally posted by orc65:
Okay, I'll leave it alone.

What's this about a MT CDROM?

Ignore that, I already know about it.

Still half asleep.

 

[migo]

Originally posted by secretagent:
There may also be a situation where if the copyright owner doesn't protect the copyright, he/she loses the copyright.
==============================================
That's actually more applicable to trademark than copyright.

It doesn't matter if the book is out of print or not... it's still copyrighted material and remains so until 75 years after the author's death. Nor does it matter if "no money changes hands." One can infringe without making money on the copy.

I thought it was 50 years.

 

[migo]

Originally posted by secretagent:
There may also be a situation where if the copyright owner doesn't protect the copyright, he/she loses the copyright.
==============================================
That's actually more applicable to trademark than copyright.

It doesn't matter if the book is out of print or not... it's still copyrighted material and remains so until 75 years after the author's death. Nor does it matter if "no money changes hands." One can infringe without making money on the copy.

I thought it was 50 years.

 

[migo]

Originally posted by secretagent:
There may also be a situation where if the copyright owner doesn't protect the copyright, he/she loses the copyright.
==============================================
That's actually more applicable to trademark than copyright.

It doesn't matter if the book is out of print or not... it's still copyrighted material and remains so until 75 years after the author's death. Nor does it matter if "no money changes hands." One can infringe without making money on the copy.

I thought it was 50 years.