Fiefs...

[rancke]

We (you and I) disagree on it, in no small part, because I don't see any contradiction in the T5 fluff nor Fief mechanics with the CT/MT sources,

I marvel that you don't see any contradictions. I've pointed them out to you before, so I'm not going do it yet again. But you are demonstrably wrong on this score. Though since the CT/MT material about nobles is so scanty as it is, the effect of the contradictions is considerably less.

...but do see that the T5 playtest materials from 8 years ago or so were ignored and counter-written in the GTU.

GT:Nobles was published in 2005. If Marc told Loren and Jon that this was the way he wanted things from now on, I'm quite sure they would not have ignored him. He did, in fact, tell them to include viscounts and they complied. So that argument cuts no ice with me. Marc approved Nobles for publication. If he had a finished draft lying around at that time, he should have revised it.

T5 isn't a force retcon to the GTU - but it is clearly not the GTU, and is explicitly the OTU.

I don't know what you mean by 'force retcon', but you're right that T5 is clearly not the GTU. Nor is it the old CT/MT Traveller universe. And since the GTU is supposed to be identical to the OTU up until the change point, any retcon of the OTU is strictly speaking a retcon of the GTU too. However, with the low likelihood of any more GT modules, that is probably a moot point.


Hans

 

[aramis]

GT:Nobles was published in 2005. If Marc told Loren and Jon that this was the way he wanted things from now on, I'm quite sure they would not have ignored him. He did, in fact, tell them to include viscounts and they complied. So that argument cuts no ice with me. Marc approved Nobles for publication. If he had a finished draft lying around at that time, he should have revised it.



I don't know what you mean by 'force retcon', but you're right that T5 is clearly not the GTU. Nor is it the old CT/MT Traveller universe. And since the GTU is supposed to be identical to the OTU up until the change point, any retcon of the OTU is strictly speaking a retcon of the GTU too. However, with the low likelihood of any more GT modules, that is probably a moot point.


Hans

My keyboard missed a "d"... forced retcon - "Any reprprints must comply with the changes"... which I've seen happen in other licensed game situations.

Example:
The changes for WFRP 1E late in the run by HHP was a forced retcon, and that forced retcon was said by an insider at HHP to have been a major part of James Wallis' burnout - since it would require a relayout of the whole core book, and they were simply reprinting from plates optically imaged from a 2nd printing Citadel printing... it nerfed his license. (He was required to take the WFB2e derived WFRP and update it to the WFB6e setting... he published a couple of supplements after the mandate, but the core.) James himself noted publicly that he was being required to update the supplements for WFB 5e compatibility.

 

[Dagrill]

A) How does the Imperium acquire land on a world?
B) What happens when a world's government changes - say by revolution, forcible annexation (aka war), or even by something as simple as a population influx changing the balance of power and a democracy votes to become a different government type in a bloodless coup.
C) (there was a C, but I lost my train of thought, so I'm closing this post and hitting the sack!)

Hi,

Just to add my 2 Cr...

A. It uses some of it's tac credit's to purchase the land and donates it to the new Noble

B Nothing, or (if for example the new government tries to seize some Imperial Nobles land) one of the Imperial Nobles calls in the Imperial Navy and they hang a few rebel leader's and forcibly rejoin the world to the Imperium under Naval Administration for a time...

Kind Regards

David