Dulinor's Motivations

[Stei'awtliyrl]

I'm flipping through the Rebellion Sourcebook, and am learning a great deal about the history and procedure of the Assassination of Strephon, the aftermath, and the "ripple effect".

However, I'm finding very little about Dulinor's reason for committing murder. He seems to be an advocate for the non-HiPop worlds or about 10% of the Imperial Population. A significant minority, but from what I can tell, one that's hardly oppressed.

I'm asking all you Imperial Historians out there, show me a nice biography of Dulinor. Why did he believe so strongly that his model of Imperium was suprior that he gunned down four people in cold blood?

(the only non-acceptable answer in this case is "because GDW needed to throw the Imperium into civil war and thus the Emperor needed killing." True as that statement may be.)

 

[Stei'awtliyrl]

I'm flipping through the Rebellion Sourcebook, and am learning a great deal about the history and procedure of the Assassination of Strephon, the aftermath, and the "ripple effect".

However, I'm finding very little about Dulinor's reason for committing murder. He seems to be an advocate for the non-HiPop worlds or about 10% of the Imperial Population. A significant minority, but from what I can tell, one that's hardly oppressed.

I'm asking all you Imperial Historians out there, show me a nice biography of Dulinor. Why did he believe so strongly that his model of Imperium was suprior that he gunned down four people in cold blood?

(the only non-acceptable answer in this case is "because GDW needed to throw the Imperium into civil war and thus the Emperor needed killing." True as that statement may be.)

 

[Stei'awtliyrl]

I'm flipping through the Rebellion Sourcebook, and am learning a great deal about the history and procedure of the Assassination of Strephon, the aftermath, and the "ripple effect".

However, I'm finding very little about Dulinor's reason for committing murder. He seems to be an advocate for the non-HiPop worlds or about 10% of the Imperial Population. A significant minority, but from what I can tell, one that's hardly oppressed.

I'm asking all you Imperial Historians out there, show me a nice biography of Dulinor. Why did he believe so strongly that his model of Imperium was suprior that he gunned down four people in cold blood?

(the only non-acceptable answer in this case is "because GDW needed to throw the Imperium into civil war and thus the Emperor needed killing." True as that statement may be.)

 

[savage]

A belief in a Stagnant Empire with Barrack Emperor aspirations.


Savage

 

[savage]

A belief in a Stagnant Empire with Barrack Emperor aspirations.


Savage

 

[savage]

A belief in a Stagnant Empire with Barrack Emperor aspirations.


Savage

 

[Stei'awtliyrl]

But according to the Rebellion Sourcebook Dulinor wanted a more activist Imperium, the type that would gradually transform the worlds of the Imperium into liberal democracies.

Unless you mean by "belief in Stagnant Empire" that Dulinor saw the Imperium as Stagnant and in need of radical change.

I guess what I'm not seeing is a compelling reason in Dulinor to take such a drastic step. His goals seem progressive, especially in the light of a Feudal Imperium. I'd almost compare him to Lenin, except that Strephon's ruling family wasn't as decadant as the Romanovs, nor was the average Imperial citizen as disenfranchized as your typical Russian Peasant.

He almost seems like an Anarchist, rebelling against a calcified Authority, but his post-revolution goals are way to intrusive.

 

[Stei'awtliyrl]

But according to the Rebellion Sourcebook Dulinor wanted a more activist Imperium, the type that would gradually transform the worlds of the Imperium into liberal democracies.

Unless you mean by "belief in Stagnant Empire" that Dulinor saw the Imperium as Stagnant and in need of radical change.

I guess what I'm not seeing is a compelling reason in Dulinor to take such a drastic step. His goals seem progressive, especially in the light of a Feudal Imperium. I'd almost compare him to Lenin, except that Strephon's ruling family wasn't as decadant as the Romanovs, nor was the average Imperial citizen as disenfranchized as your typical Russian Peasant.

He almost seems like an Anarchist, rebelling against a calcified Authority, but his post-revolution goals are way to intrusive.

 

[Stei'awtliyrl]

But according to the Rebellion Sourcebook Dulinor wanted a more activist Imperium, the type that would gradually transform the worlds of the Imperium into liberal democracies.

Unless you mean by "belief in Stagnant Empire" that Dulinor saw the Imperium as Stagnant and in need of radical change.

I guess what I'm not seeing is a compelling reason in Dulinor to take such a drastic step. His goals seem progressive, especially in the light of a Feudal Imperium. I'd almost compare him to Lenin, except that Strephon's ruling family wasn't as decadant as the Romanovs, nor was the average Imperial citizen as disenfranchized as your typical Russian Peasant.

He almost seems like an Anarchist, rebelling against a calcified Authority, but his post-revolution goals are way to intrusive.

 

[savage]

Unless you mean by "belief in Stagnant Empire" that Dulinor saw the Imperium as Stagnant and in need of radical change.

--yes that is what I meant

Whether he wanted a senate instead of moot is not generally know...
The Barracks Emperors were able to do what they willed with the Imperium. This was the position he was setting himself up with...he certainly was not going to inherit it.

Who knows what Stephon was up too. Whether it was truely stagnant or not. Perhaps Dulinor was a bit
nuts and this is just a crazy excuse to grab power. We'll never know, Virus took care of that problem with some farm equipment.

Savage

 

[savage]

Unless you mean by "belief in Stagnant Empire" that Dulinor saw the Imperium as Stagnant and in need of radical change.

--yes that is what I meant

Whether he wanted a senate instead of moot is not generally know...
The Barracks Emperors were able to do what they willed with the Imperium. This was the position he was setting himself up with...he certainly was not going to inherit it.

Who knows what Stephon was up too. Whether it was truely stagnant or not. Perhaps Dulinor was a bit
nuts and this is just a crazy excuse to grab power. We'll never know, Virus took care of that problem with some farm equipment.

Savage

 

[savage]

Unless you mean by "belief in Stagnant Empire" that Dulinor saw the Imperium as Stagnant and in need of radical change.

--yes that is what I meant

Whether he wanted a senate instead of moot is not generally know...
The Barracks Emperors were able to do what they willed with the Imperium. This was the position he was setting himself up with...he certainly was not going to inherit it.

Who knows what Stephon was up too. Whether it was truely stagnant or not. Perhaps Dulinor was a bit
nuts and this is just a crazy excuse to grab power. We'll never know, Virus took care of that problem with some farm equipment.

Savage

 

[alanb]

Originally posted by Stei'awtliyrl:
He seems to be an advocate for the non-HiPop worlds or about 10% of the Imperial Population. A significant minority, but from what I can tell, one that's hardly oppressed.

From memory, he was actually claiming to be defending the HiPop worlds, which were under-represented in Imperial power structures.

This is claptrap of course, since the rulers of the HiPops have a lot more clout than those of the microworlds. But still... The nobility is subject to limitations on their behaviour. If you give more autonomy to the HiPop worlds, you give the nobles more power. This is good, if you are a noble.

Don't get confused by any ideas that Dulinor was some kind of democrat.

The "activist Imperium" may seem to contradict this idea of increased local noble power. It doesn't. After all, who will be the targets of this activism? Who will be ignored?

More importantly, if the Imperium is to be homogenised, what will be the model? What will the effect be on non-human societies? What about minor race human societies? What about the Vilani and Solomani thing? What about distinct local societies within these groups?

All of these will be at risk - _if_ they get in the way of Dulinor's Master Plan. In fact, they will be at risk if they get in the way of the faction of the nobility that support him.

It's a power grab. It's wrapped in populist rhetoric, and can be supported by a fairly robust intellectual argument, but it's a power grab.

Most aggressive imperialisms are.

Alan B

 

[alanb]

Originally posted by Stei'awtliyrl:
He seems to be an advocate for the non-HiPop worlds or about 10% of the Imperial Population. A significant minority, but from what I can tell, one that's hardly oppressed.

From memory, he was actually claiming to be defending the HiPop worlds, which were under-represented in Imperial power structures.

This is claptrap of course, since the rulers of the HiPops have a lot more clout than those of the microworlds. But still... The nobility is subject to limitations on their behaviour. If you give more autonomy to the HiPop worlds, you give the nobles more power. This is good, if you are a noble.

Don't get confused by any ideas that Dulinor was some kind of democrat.

The "activist Imperium" may seem to contradict this idea of increased local noble power. It doesn't. After all, who will be the targets of this activism? Who will be ignored?

More importantly, if the Imperium is to be homogenised, what will be the model? What will the effect be on non-human societies? What about minor race human societies? What about the Vilani and Solomani thing? What about distinct local societies within these groups?

All of these will be at risk - _if_ they get in the way of Dulinor's Master Plan. In fact, they will be at risk if they get in the way of the faction of the nobility that support him.

It's a power grab. It's wrapped in populist rhetoric, and can be supported by a fairly robust intellectual argument, but it's a power grab.

Most aggressive imperialisms are.

Alan B

 

[alanb]

Originally posted by Stei'awtliyrl:
He seems to be an advocate for the non-HiPop worlds or about 10% of the Imperial Population. A significant minority, but from what I can tell, one that's hardly oppressed.

From memory, he was actually claiming to be defending the HiPop worlds, which were under-represented in Imperial power structures.

This is claptrap of course, since the rulers of the HiPops have a lot more clout than those of the microworlds. But still... The nobility is subject to limitations on their behaviour. If you give more autonomy to the HiPop worlds, you give the nobles more power. This is good, if you are a noble.

Don't get confused by any ideas that Dulinor was some kind of democrat.

The "activist Imperium" may seem to contradict this idea of increased local noble power. It doesn't. After all, who will be the targets of this activism? Who will be ignored?

More importantly, if the Imperium is to be homogenised, what will be the model? What will the effect be on non-human societies? What about minor race human societies? What about the Vilani and Solomani thing? What about distinct local societies within these groups?

All of these will be at risk - _if_ they get in the way of Dulinor's Master Plan. In fact, they will be at risk if they get in the way of the faction of the nobility that support him.

It's a power grab. It's wrapped in populist rhetoric, and can be supported by a fairly robust intellectual argument, but it's a power grab.

Most aggressive imperialisms are.

Alan B

 

[aramis]

IMTU, Dulinor is more of a "Truly Motivated" enlightened despot type.

He truly wants reforms to extend citizenzhip rights and responsibilities, to gain more authority to the local levels, but while also strengthening the imperial grip on the outworlds.

Not democratization, but instead, acutally moving toward a unified pro-noble superculture, a welfare system for minimum standards of living and based upon the idea of right to work, and moving towards local nobles being the local governments, rather than the ambassadore of the 3I to the local government.

In order to pull this off, he's going to need a lot more clout than he's got as an archduke.

Canon says he created the draft. (Later, canon contradicts this by showing the draft for the T4 rules... but hey... ) IMTU, he also mandates rights to medical treatment, equality for cyborgs, and some other high-pop specific goals.

Likewise, Dulinor KNOWS where the imperial fleet-base comes from: High-Tech High-Pop worlds. That 10% of the population is probably closer to 30% of the GIP...

 

[aramis]

IMTU, Dulinor is more of a "Truly Motivated" enlightened despot type.

He truly wants reforms to extend citizenzhip rights and responsibilities, to gain more authority to the local levels, but while also strengthening the imperial grip on the outworlds.

Not democratization, but instead, acutally moving toward a unified pro-noble superculture, a welfare system for minimum standards of living and based upon the idea of right to work, and moving towards local nobles being the local governments, rather than the ambassadore of the 3I to the local government.

In order to pull this off, he's going to need a lot more clout than he's got as an archduke.

Canon says he created the draft. (Later, canon contradicts this by showing the draft for the T4 rules... but hey... ) IMTU, he also mandates rights to medical treatment, equality for cyborgs, and some other high-pop specific goals.

Likewise, Dulinor KNOWS where the imperial fleet-base comes from: High-Tech High-Pop worlds. That 10% of the population is probably closer to 30% of the GIP...

 

[aramis]

IMTU, Dulinor is more of a "Truly Motivated" enlightened despot type.

He truly wants reforms to extend citizenzhip rights and responsibilities, to gain more authority to the local levels, but while also strengthening the imperial grip on the outworlds.

Not democratization, but instead, acutally moving toward a unified pro-noble superculture, a welfare system for minimum standards of living and based upon the idea of right to work, and moving towards local nobles being the local governments, rather than the ambassadore of the 3I to the local government.

In order to pull this off, he's going to need a lot more clout than he's got as an archduke.

Canon says he created the draft. (Later, canon contradicts this by showing the draft for the T4 rules... but hey... ) IMTU, he also mandates rights to medical treatment, equality for cyborgs, and some other high-pop specific goals.

Likewise, Dulinor KNOWS where the imperial fleet-base comes from: High-Tech High-Pop worlds. That 10% of the population is probably closer to 30% of the GIP...

 

[Stei'awtliyrl]

So from a "dangerously ambitious man" standpoint, Dulinor is just about as megalomaniacal as Lucien, just more subtle. (Well, subtle until he shot four people point-blank with a magnum in front of rolling video cameras).

And Dulinor would have some support from the Ilelish region because of the legacy left by the Ilelish Revolt of 418.

On a related note, my copy of Rebellion has a typo. It says that Strephon elevated Dulinor to Archduke in 0000. What year is supposed to be there?

 

[Stei'awtliyrl]

So from a "dangerously ambitious man" standpoint, Dulinor is just about as megalomaniacal as Lucien, just more subtle. (Well, subtle until he shot four people point-blank with a magnum in front of rolling video cameras).

And Dulinor would have some support from the Ilelish region because of the legacy left by the Ilelish Revolt of 418.

On a related note, my copy of Rebellion has a typo. It says that Strephon elevated Dulinor to Archduke in 0000. What year is supposed to be there?