Drakon's Inspiring Infrastructure

[Drakon]

Okay, let me bounce this back at you to make sure I understand.
Physical: Muscle power. Using the strength of natural muscles, such as man's or animals.
Mechanical: Using gears, pulleys, possibly steam.
Biological: creating new biological constructs, genetically engineering.
Energy: Here is where I think it breaks down. All the above is essentially the manipulation of energy. Which in turn is the ability to do work, move objects, turn these things into those things. Whether you are using steam, atoms, wind, solar, geothermal, chemical, nuclear fission, fusion, or antimatter, is largely a side issue. It is what you do with that power that matters.

In all cases, you are manipulating energy, transfering it from one area, or system to another. Whether you do it by hand, pulley, explosives, GELF, (Genetically Engineered Life Form) gravity, or what have you, you are transfering energy from one spot to the other.

Without energy, nothing is possible. You don't have a technology, heck you don't even have life.

As for "pure energy beings" I have my doubts about their ability to even exist. The definitions don't seem to allow it at its most fundamental level. Energy is the ability to do work. Work is defined as moving an object through a known distance. That is how it is defined and measured. If one is "pure energy" you have nothing to move. (With the possible except of an external object, but then we get that whole action/reaction problem.)

 

[DaveChase]

Actually Drakon, I think that you are saying what I was trying to convey but not seeing it through my colored glasses.

I would agree to your definitions to my breakdown if you will considers this

Physical: They limit them selves to this type of power
Mechanical: The same as above
Bo: the same as above
Energy: They understand all, The universe. They know how to use with out waste or they know how to use with distruction

Now with this 4 different types how would each one handle the following

growing food
shelter
moving from one land mass to another

Each one would handle it slightly to dramaticlly different
As per your definition blended with mine on the Enegry power people they might use any, all or none of the previous 3.

As the topic is on min TL to substain, my point was only that view point/culture will determine that to those individuals/people that are trying to live on that planet. Of course I choose a limited part of that culture called effort/manuplation of enviroment.

On your last part about enegry, you went way to far into the concept of enegry. Yet not far enough

as for your last paragraph, question

So how does the nuetron, proton and electron move around each other?

Dave

 

[Drakon]

Originally posted by DaveChase:
Energy: They understand all, The universe. They know how to use with out waste or they know how to use with distruction

Does this include how to violate the laws of thermodynamics? And I think the last word is mispelled which garbles it terribly.

As the topic is on min TL to substain, my point was only that view point/culture will determine that to those individuals/people that are trying to live on that planet. Of course I choose a limited part of that culture called effort/manuplation of enviroment.

It seems to me that when discussing tech levels, this is what you are talking about, manipulating the environment. So yeah, it is up to the colonists to determine how they are going to maintain a standard of living, or tech level, and how best to achieve that.

They will have an advantage in that they will already know a lot of how things are done. (Probably more so than folks today do) They won't have to invent the wheel, just gotta figure out how to make them with what's available.

I see the biggest holdup is food production. That is going to take a lot of labor at first, until enough technology is acheived (either by importation, which has its risks, and because of those risks I would not want to depend on it, or by bootstrapping it with native materials, or both) to reduce that labor load. But once that hurdle is cleared, bootstrapping from there should be far easier.

So how does the nuetron, proton and electron move around each other?

Dave

Not sure what you are getting at here. In orbits around each other?

 

[DaveChase]

Ooopss, spelling. (sigh) That is what I get for trying to type to fast before I had to head of to a show that day.
distruction=Destruction (LOL)

Not all intented to go point for point or break laws of physics with any of my Points. I just was 'putting my 2 cents in' from what I have observed and limited research.

And on the your last question, my only defense is:
Nothing is impossible, some things just take a while longer.

Drakonian, please do keep bring up good, awesome points and thoughts, I enjoy reading them.

Dave

 

[Drakon]

That is cool. Thanks for the compliment.