Core Rules 5.09

[agorski]

Got a blizzard of emails from "GDW", Kickstarter, and DriveThruRPG with the announcement of v5.09 of the Core Rules. Just got it and haven't looked through it yet except to scroll to the bottom and find an index. Huzzah!

 

[Disco Soup]

It's here, for anyone who's interested.

 

[David Johansen]

It looks like combat is pretty cleared up except that the chance to hit in melee is 0 for evenly matched fighters. I KNOW that got brought up while they were working on it so it's REALLY disappointing to see it still in there.

 

[rancke]

It looks like combat is pretty cleared up except that the chance to hit in melee is 0 for evenly matched fighters. I KNOW that got brought up while they were working on it so it's REALLY disappointing to see it still in there.

Well, it IS 5.09, not 5.1. Perhaps they'll fix it in 5.09.09.


Hans

 

[David Johansen]

Even if you use the cover rules to take a -6 to be hit and -3 to hit your foe, if they do the same it evens out to 0.

It could easily be fixed with a +7 modifier to the task. But after all the wait for combat revisions it's a bit disappointing.

On the other hand almost all the instances of Pen=C1 have been removed from blade maker which is good because while I personally like melee weapons to have at least some relevance, a C1=12 barbarian kicking tanks over with an axe is absurd.

The index is a welcome addition but as it's a file, not a book, I'm disappointed that Rob's green list ship stats didn't make the cut.

 

[Original_Carl]

Page numbers don't appear to be matching the Table of Contents.

Not to just jump on the negative right away, but I thought you all should know.

For example, Robots says page 560, but it's on PDF page 575. VehichlMaker says page 280, but it's 243. I'm sure there's more, but that's just first two I looked for.

-Carl

 

[Spartan159]

Thanks for the heads up on this, just now downloaded my copy. Now for a review.

 

[Orc65001]

Just flicking through it now, and noticed a couple of things straight off.

1. I know it was in the errata, but is it intentional for Assault rifles and carbines to have Blast and Bang, while all other assault weapons have Bang and Blast? (p.216)

2. Character Generation: Every character now gets a motivation, a secret, an organisation that they have significant ties to, and a significant event in their past. (p.72-77).

3. Combat cards, I don't remember seeing them in the original. (p.186-190)

still reading..........

 

[Baltech Budapest]

Got a blizzard of emails from "GDW", Kickstarter, and DriveThruRPG with the announcement of v5.09 of the Core Rules. Just got it and haven't looked through it yet except to scroll to the bottom and find an index. Huzzah!

That's exactly what I just did after downloading it a few minutes ago.
Great to see an index, but most importantly it's great to see T5 moving forward again.

 

[Nathan Brazil]

Perhaps a PDF Errata Thread Needed?

Just downloaded it. Quickie Question...
On the copyright page, it says "Print Edition 5.1"

Is this 5.09 or 5.1 or what version is the pdf?
Will I be getting updates at DriveThru as other publishers do on occasion reissue pdf files?
Does this mean that a new print version is coming out? If it is cleaned up, perhaps a new hardcopy may be worthwhile.

 

[Supplement Four]

I looked it over. Well, that's not quite true. I spot check it through the combat section.

I was pleased to see some changes. Overall, the book is just more "readable". Organization is much, much better.

And, it feels like Traveller. It feels like CT, but more.

On the other hand, there are still a lot of problems that need to be addressed. I caught the Melee Combat issue mentioned above, too. That's a biggie.

Spectacular Success still gets easier the harder the task gets. Why should it be harder to roll a perfect success when taking off the security panel on a nuclear missile than it is to actually defuse the nuclear warhead?

There's some other issues that I caught.

It still needs a lot of work.

 

[Reban]

Downloaded and browsing.

First impressions are that it looks more "finished". I like the black borders and more definite placement of tables and columns.

The disappointment, several things I submitted as errata are unaddressed.

Two little things; I've seen a couple of common sense additions and clarifications, and I just spotted the "additional index options" bit at the bottom of some maker and ACS pages that point you to other useful rules.


[EDIT] Woohoo Alternate movers are back for spacecraft (its complicated but workable). thanks Marc and team for that bit.

 

[Licheking]

Any news on whether this will see a print version or do we just wait for a future revision for that?

 

[Hemdian]

Haven't had a chance to read it properly yet but ... yeah. . (Doing the Snoopy happy dance.)

So, since this isn't the final version and the existing errata thread is 41 pages, should a new errata thread be started to keep things clearer?

 

[whulorigan]

ERRATA ITEM: T5.09 Table of Contents (Revised)

I have gone thru the Table of Contents in the T5.09 Document, and the TOC page numbers need to be updated as follows:

[FONT=&quot]Introductions[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Absent Friends 9[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Traveller Is About... 11[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Traveller is a Role-Playing Game 12[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Galaxy 14[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]A Brief History of the Universe 15[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Foundations of the Universe 18[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Basic Information[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]You’ll Need Dice 22[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Money 24[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Humanity 25[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Basics of Role-Playing ??[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Beginning... ??[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Characters and Life[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Characteristics 27[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Characters 37[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Careers 54[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Craftsman 55[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Scholar 56[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Entertainer 57[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Citizen 58[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Scout 59[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Merchant 60[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Spacer 61[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Soldier 62[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Agent 63[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Rogue 64[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Noble 65[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Marine 66[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Functionary 67[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Land Grants 68[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Aging 69[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Ship Shares 70[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Fame 71[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Background Information for Characters 72[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Life Pursuits and Experience 80[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Genetics 82[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Chimeras 91[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Androids and Synthetics 92[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Clones 96[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Everyday Actions[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Tasks 99[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Skills 112[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]QREBS 150[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Personals 157[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Senses 163[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Combat[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Personal Combat 177[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Armory 201[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]GunMaker 205[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]ArmorMaker 225[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]VehicleMaker 243[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Small Craft 264[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Starports and Starships[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Starports 266[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Starship Design 274[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]ShipSheets 316[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Adventure Class Ships 320[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]How Starships Work[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Maneuver 323[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Jump 332[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Power Systems 347[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Sensors 352[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Weapons 364[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Defenses 372[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Fuel Benchmarks 382[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Starship Combat 387[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Stars and Worlds[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Sectors and Subsectors 394[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Charting The Stars 396[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Star Systems and Worlds 402[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Mapping Worlds 420[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Terrain 459[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Trade[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Trade and Commerce 475[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Technology[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Technology 495[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Computers and Consoles 514[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Personalities and Brains 522[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Special Situations[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psionics 528[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Sophonts 545[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Robots 574[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]BeastMaker 588[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]BeastMaker Events 602[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Beastiary 604[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]ThingMaker 613[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]ThingMaker Equipment 627[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Adventures[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Adventures 652[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]EPIC Adventures 656[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Guide to Starships[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Ship Details[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Deck Plans[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Appendices[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 Dice 662[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 Ehex 674[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 The Ton 675[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 Range and Distance 676 & 691 – (Remove one – duplicated page)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 Benchmarks 692[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 Costs 696[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 Values 697[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 Size 698[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 Hot and Cold 699[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Master Mods 700[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Imperial Calendar (Birthdates) 706[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]System Maps 709[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Crimes 722[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Starship Recognition Guides 726[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Index 741[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Keywords 527 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]??[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Characters [/FONT][FONT=&quot]??[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]People [/FONT][FONT=&quot]??[/FONT]

 

[aramis]

Marc is still working to bring about a true 5.1. This is an interim effort.

 

[Ackehece]

It looks like combat is pretty cleared up except that the chance to hit in melee is 0 for evenly matched fighters. I KNOW that got brought up while they were working on it so it's REALLY disappointing to see it still in there.

yep... I did bring that up Many times... but since they fixed a lot of other combat issues it is better.

 

[Ackehece]

Marc is still working to bring about a true 5.1. This is an interim effort.

of which many of Us are happy for!

 

[Ackehece]

I looked it over. Well, that's not quite true. I spot check it through the combat section.

I was pleased to see some changes. Overall, the book is just more "readable". Organization is much, much better.

And, it feels like Traveller. It feels like CT, but more.

On the other hand, there are still a lot of problems that need to be addressed. I caught the Melee Combat issue mentioned above, too. That's a biggie.

Spectacular Success still gets easier the harder the task gets. Why should it be harder to roll a perfect success when taking off the security panel on a nuclear missile than it is to actually defuse the nuclear warhead?

There's some other issues that I caught.

It still needs a lot of work.

remember (and you know this...) spectacular failure also increases at the same rate. I for one don't worry about this that much.. Either Disarm the nuke surprisingly or detonate horrifically is your real options.
the interesting part I always found was spectacular failed successes.... 666111....

 

[Timerover51]

Before spending the money to purchase it, is it: 1) Searchable using a PDF reader, and 2) is is possible to copy and paste from it, are is it simply readable with no possibility to pick and choose relevant pieces?